Transgender women and an early state pension.

Smileless2012

Trans women do not belong to a lesbian dating event, unless all lesbians in attendance want them to be there because trans women are not women.

Are we not at the moment talking about whether trans women should be at a lesbian dating event? If so what does being bi sexual have to do with it?

Some lesbians agree trans women are women

So their opinions don't matter?

Why?

Why do people who wish to exclude trans women think themselves entitled to speak for all women?

That's not how anything works

Bridie22

Ergo they are not the sex they wish to be...your words VS, they may wish to be the opposite sex but that isn't going to happen.

That is what I said, by agreeing with it are you happy that you understand what gender dysphoria actually is?

Are you happy to agree with the government that the cause of gender dysphoria is biological?

Smileless2012

Are you really being serious VS!!! You posted that "trans people can and do make alterations to their bodies to bring their sex in line with their gender".

I posted that they do not. "They make changes to represent outwardly, what they believe inwardly their gender should be. They cannot bring their sex in line with their gender. They cannot change sex, only their outward appearance".

How on earth is that saying the same thing?

Read back, I clearly said in appearance

I don't know how you have missed it... Twice... I hope you wouldn't deliberately leave out part of a quote to change another person's meaning as that is quite dishonest

Rosie51

Lesbians who date intact transwomen are of course perfectly free to do so, but I'd have thought they were more accurately described as bisexual. The definition of homosexual is homo=same sex attracted. Hetero=opposite sex attracted. Anybody happy to have sex with a vagina or a penis is bi= two sex attracted. You have sex with sexed bodies not some amorphous identity.

Oh dear, this is muddy ground trying to tell a lesbian they are not a lesbian because they date trans women

As bad as telling a lesbian they must date trans women really

Or you could just accept that some lesbians are attracted to trans women because they are trans women and not men

Especially as you do not know what is in the pants of the trans women

PS

Happy International Woman's Day!

Here's to all the strong, independent, resilient, inspirational women out there who are comfortable and strong in their womanhood!

VioletSky

Rosie51

Lesbians who date intact transwomen are of course perfectly free to do so, but I'd have thought they were more accurately described as bisexual. The definition of homosexual is homo=same sex attracted. Hetero=opposite sex attracted. Anybody happy to have sex with a vagina or a penis is bi= two sex attracted. You have sex with sexed bodies not some amorphous identity.

Oh dear, this is muddy ground trying to tell a lesbian they are not a lesbian because they date trans women

As bad as telling a lesbian they must date trans women really

Or you could just accept that some lesbians are attracted to trans women because they are trans women and not men

You're misrepresenting me VioletSky that's dishonest! I'm not trying to tell a lesbian they're not a lesbian I merely expressed my opinion that a more accurate description would be bisexual. I am not telling them they have to describe themselves such, just that's how I'd think of them.

No I'm not happy at all VS.
Today is international women's day, can I pose a question to the posters on this thread,
Do any of you support VS in her opinions of transwomen?

No... I haven't misrepresented you at all there Bridie you even followed up by saying how you think of them is more accurate than how they think of themselves

Not good I am afraid

Bridie22

No I'm not happy at all VS.
Today is international women's day, can I pose a question to the posters on this thread,
Do any of you support VS in her opinions of transwomen?

There's like, a handful of posters

Not exactly a representative cross section of society is it?

Wrong poster VS I think it might be Rosie51 you misrepresented

Sorry about that Brodie

Yes it was Rosie who who tried to tie a knot with her own comments there

More than a handful VS,
You must try harder not goodvenough in afraid lol 🤣

The name is Bridie,!

Do you do this in actual conversation?

I hear it the "No you are but what am I" kind of thing in real life but that's because I spend at least an hour a day on a playground

Who are you talking to VS?

Bridie22

Who are you talking to VS?

Well you were the last one to do it but the repeating what I said back to me with a lol thing is very childish

Are we having an adult conversation?

Of not how can I trust you to make reasonable decisions about how to best protect women and trans people?

I think you are ignorant on many fronts VS and you are now nearing the rudeness boundary.

So, your comment was not rude but mine was?

Please explain that to me

Which comment?

Quite a few of them really

Perhaps the view is that others can call me ignorant, passive aggressive etc etc because I don't agree with them therefore I do not deserve respect in a discussion

Hmmm interesting

Which comment

Bridie22

VS you live in a parallel universe to most of us and rarely make sense!

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What is rude about that ?

Everything