Transgender women and an early state pension.

VioletSky

Now trans women are responsible for the gender pay gap?

Cool

What else can we pin on them?

Global warming?
Underfunding of the NHS?
The bigger gaps in Toblerone these days?

I’m a bit astounded by some of the comment here, from people who claim to be “open minded”

Yet another seemingly diversive tactic from this current govt! All it’s doing is causing issues and problems.

I’m a WASPI, I don’t care who does and doesn’t tick the box for state pensions at 65 or 66 so long as they’ve paid in.

Yes, I think us WASPI women should be compensated, but I don’t think it’s ever gonna happen.

This whole TG pension thing just seems like a very odd diversion from our govt!

But then again, I’m one who believes trans gender people are now the gender they’ve transitioned to. I notice no one ever mentions trans women who’ve transitioned to men? One of my old female colleagues is married to a trans man, I knew him before he transitioned, he’s done the whole thing, and I defy anyone whose has never him to even know he once was female!

ordinarygirl

I don't think people would have changed their identity for money but to be the same as how they feel about themselves. I feel blessed to feel the same gender as when I was born . That is one less struggle I have to face.

This ❤️‍🩹

I think every human being who has received unfair treatment deserves compassion and their concerns taken seriously and rectified

But look to those responsible personally, not creating scapegoats to vent ire at, especially not another vulnerable demographic

VioletSky

I think every human being who has received unfair treatment deserves compassion and their concerns taken seriously and rectified

But look to those responsible personally, not creating scapegoats to vent ire at, especially not another vulnerable demographic

Yes!

VioletSky

Now trans women are responsible for the gender pay gap?

Cool

What else can we pin on them?

Global warming?
Underfunding of the NHS?
The bigger gaps in Toblerone these days?

🙄🙄

No. I don't think anyone said anything remotely like that.

What I said was that I wondered whether men who benefited from an average 20% more pay until they 'identified' as women would be prepared to pay back the extra money.

If it's ok to take money owed to the women who used to retire earlier after a lifetime of discrimination in the workplace, surely it's not ok to keep the money they were given for being a man? In other words what's sauce for the goose is, well, sauce for the goose.

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ordinarygirl

I don't think people would have changed their identity for money but to be the same as how they feel about themselves. I feel blessed to feel the same gender as when I was born . That is one less struggle I have to face.

That is my view too -

ordinarygirl

I don't think people would have changed their identity for money but to be the same as how they feel about themselves. I feel blessed to feel the same gender as when I was born . That is one less struggle I have to face.

It depends when, though, surely?

Women have been cheated right, left, centre out of their pensions and this is just another insult.

Doodledog

VioletSky

Now trans women are responsible for the gender pay gap?

Cool

What else can we pin on them?

Global warming?
Underfunding of the NHS?
The bigger gaps in Toblerone these days?

🙄🙄

No. I don't think anyone said anything remotely like that.

What I said was that I wondered whether men who benefited from an average 20% more pay until they 'identified' as women would be prepared to pay back the extra money.

If it's ok to take money owed to the women who used to retire earlier after a lifetime of discrimination in the workplace, surely it's not ok to keep the money they were given for being a man? In other words what's sauce for the goose is, well, sauce for the goose.

Women have traditionally been the care givers too, many taking a break in their careers to bring up a family, look after elderly parents.
Not so much now, of course, but in the 1950s and 1960s many women stayed at home for a number of years or worked part-time and are living on much more reduced pensions than men who managed to pay in for the required number of years to receive a full pension. And benefited from the higher pay which men earned for doing the same job for many years.

But then again, I’m one who believes trans gender people are now the gender they’ve transitioned to.
Gender, not sex. Of course 🙂

However, what was their declared gender when they were working and paying NI? Surely that is what counts.

I take it there haven't been many Daily Fail headlines recently and this was the best that could be done to have a general pop at a vulnerable demographic going on gransnet

Namsnanny

It doesn't matter if it is one man or many.
Or if they have had cosmetic surgery or not.
It is our gov, (if this info is correct) being hijacked by this ideology and making decisions on our behalf without taking our opinions into account.

My opinion is that there are many more important issues to ask my opinion about.

I can multitask.

VioletSky

I take it there haven't been many Daily Fail headlines recently and this was the best that could be done to have a general pop at a vulnerable demographic going on gransnet

This was not a Daily Mail headline!
I stumbled across it on the Government website on pensions.

No Daily Fail headlines recently then

I have no idea why you keep insulting Gransnetters on thread after thread Violetsky .

Well, I do have an idea 🤔

grannypiper

AmberSpyglass Please stick to the truth, lying is not a good trait.

This is an example of insulting a gransnetter

I insulted a media outlet

Passive aggression, VS. The implication (aggression) that those who don't agree with you could only have got their information from a rag such as the DM isn't stated, but implied (passive). As you well know.

Actually I think media outlets have a huge responsibility to the public and that particular outlet is extremely damaging and outrageous

And I'm entitled to think that as well as thinking that being in line with that sort of thinking is also potentially damaging to vulnerable demographics

But I've said that many times, nothing passive aggressive about it

We all have personal responsibility

There are many direct links between escalations of negative thinking on public spaces and abuse directly received by vulnerable demographics

But I still ultimately blame the media itself

VioletSky

I take it there haven't been many Daily Fail headlines recently and this was the best that could be done to have a general pop at a vulnerable demographic going on gransnet

Is this chap part of the “vulnerable” demographic of which you speak?
reduxx.info/uk-crossdressing-pervert-caught-in-pedophile-sting-had-previously-avoided-prison-despite-role-in-child-pornography-ring/

I do hope poor “Mable” has managed to access his pension.

Seemingly the truth is a lie here on Gransnet. I am not allowed to say that those born with a penis and have gone through male puberty are not female.

BeverleyJB

VioletSky
^I take it there haven't been many Daily Fail headlines recently and this was the best that could be done to have a general pop at a vulnerable demographic going on gransnet
Is this chap part of the “vulnerable” demographic of which you speak?
reduxx.info/uk-crossdressing-pervert-caught-in-pedophile-sting-had-previously-avoided-prison-despite-role-in-child-pornography-ring/

I do hope poor “Mable” has managed to access his pension.^

Oh well done BeverlyJB, so good that your contribution is to find a nasty vile crime against children committed by a cross dresser! Really adds to the original pension debate and trans gender people! Is your opinion that trans gender people are “perverts”?

grannypiper

Seemingly the truth is a lie here on Gransnet. I am not allowed to say that those born with a penis and have gone through male puberty are not female.

We can all struggle with things we don’t really understand. Many trans gender people (male AND female) have struggled all their lives feeling they are trapped in the wrong physical body and truly believing they were born as the wrong gender. They’ve fought long and hard to be recognised legally once they’ve transitioned.

100 years ago gay people were criminalised, bullied, discriminated against, beaten up and called vile names. I thought we’d moved on and become more open and accepting of people “differences”. I was clearly wrong!

VioletSky

Actually I think media outlets have a huge responsibility to the public and that particular outlet is extremely damaging and outrageous

And I'm entitled to think that as well as thinking that being in line with that sort of thinking is also potentially damaging to vulnerable demographics

But I've said that many times, nothing passive aggressive about it

We all have personal responsibility

There are many direct links between escalations of negative thinking on public spaces and abuse directly received by vulnerable demographics

But I still ultimately blame the media itself

I take it there haven't been many Daily Fail headlines recently and this was the best that could be done to have a general pop at a vulnerable demographic going on gransnet

Of course media outlets have a responsibility etc etc, but that's not what you said, is it?

What's unclear about that doodledog

It's very clear is it not?

I don't think very highly of these threads at all, that would not be my personal responsibility though