Trump

maddyone

I don’t like Trump, nor do I think he’s fit for office.
However, I do respectfully disagree with Urmstongran. She’s a long time member of Gransnet and I don’t like to see disrespectful posts to her. Additionally I think she’s a well liked member on here and newer members should accept that. They don’t have to accept her views, or anyone else’s.

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maddyone

Despite my dislike of Trump, I do think all the countries of NATO should pay their dues. It’s disgraceful that they don’t. How dare they, and then expect the protection of NATO?

Yes, agree. Even those I cannot and will not support do occasionally speak sense! (I mean Trump, not anyone in here)

If you disagree with a posters point of view it does not give anyone carte blanche to insult, deride and disrespect that poster.

He says what the American people (who haven’t benefited from the trickle down effect) who feel overlooked want to hear.

Do you not know that Trump’s economic policies are pure trickle-down, and, as you rightly say, failed miserably to benefit the majority of Americans, or even the wider economy? What he promised, and what he delivered, are demonstrably poles apart, and helped damage the living standards of millions of ordinary Americans during his last tenure.

‘Bidenonimics’, which is centre-out, is actually proving far more effective.

I think, along with many others , I imagine, that Donald Trump
is a very, very dangerous man.

Errrr..... Guy tried to overturn the results of an election and errrr..... may well dump Nato. These are the things that worry me.

Louella12

HousePlantQueen

Good morning Urmstongran, check your account, I think it has been hacked by someone who is making you look a fool.

That's exactly my point.

Insult and mock

Maybe your account has been hacked to make you look a pompous fool?

well, that's an unecessarily rude comment, but there we are. I think that Urms is just being provocative for the sake of stirring things up, and my comment was meant to be amusing, but obviously went right over your head.

Like GSM, I am bemused (amused?) by the assumption of left leaning teachers........anyway, I have better things to do, so if you admire a man who apart from being a liar, sexual abuser, fraud, cheat, also finds it amusing to mock a disabled reporter....well, I have nothing to contribute to this rather silly thread.

Hmm. Well like the world over the pandemic can’t have helped (whoever was in charge). That’s why I said the UK was facing similar problems. We are all facing economies that are flatlining. We desperately need good strong leadership.

Now I don’t dislike or not trust Starmer. But his team (on the whole - Lammy, that shirt button Jonathan Ashworth two prime examples) don’t inspire confidence and Starmer is going to be circling the plug hole regarding Gaza (and Galloway).

Trump just inspires me. He is straight talking. He calls it for what it is (NATO for example). Now that, I admire. His strength of conviction. It’s reassuring instead of wishy-washy political platitudes (from Sunak & Starmer both). Words without actions.

China and Russia can’t assume they know how he will deal with world events. I don’t believe he’d throw Ukraine under the bus but instead of ‘winners and losers’ he’d force negotiations. His attitude is ‘how do we stop the killing’.

He is a pragmatist. He brokered the Abraham Accord in the Middle East confounding his critics. It pulled Iran into line.

Plus, no wars were started under Trump. A good thing surely? A strong leader carries great sway.

I think that Urms is just being provocative for the sake of stirring things up, and my comment was meant to be amusing

Actually HPQ your earlier comment really did make me chuckle it was very witty I thought!

But no, I’m genuinely not posting about Trump to be provocative. I think he has a lot of support (even on here?) from the silent voters. Hence the shocks when counting ballot papers.

I have to admit, unpleasant though he is in many ways, if I was American I would vote for Trump over Biden. I think he would be better for the USA ( though not for the rest of the western world!) He is also a lot less likely to start world war 3, he is a pragmatist. Alliances would change under him. I am sure he would be very bad for Australia and to a lesser extent,the UK.

Whatever we think this side of the pond it is becoming evident that POTUS Trump has support in the US. On super Tuesday he won all but one of the primaries, Nikki Hayley winning the other.

I don’t think this is ‘a silly thread’ HPQ.
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We will have to agree to disagree - although debate and alternative opinions are always good on GN in my opinion. Actually I’m sure we all agree on this point!

Trump is wrong about NATO Urmstongran

edition.cnn.com/2024/02/13/politics/fact-check-trump-nato/index.html

The trouble is Biden, is so frail and stumbling over his words and getting confused that I don’t think he’s really a viable alternative to Trump.

Biden made his biggest gaffe in Jan 2022 when he said the world would tolerate a small incursion into Ukraine by Russia. He was corrected quickly. More recently he backed Israel unconditionally and is now calling for a ceasefire. Extremists exploit weakness and Biden is weak. Say whatever you like about Trump but he is not weak.

Urmstongran

Trump is Marmite. I happen to like both.

He is a patriot. Not a dyed in the wool politician with all the wheeler dealings that involves. He’s not afraid to speak his mind and gets things done. He really does put America first. He’s strong and charismatic. A powerful man in many ways. He says what the American people (who haven’t benefited from the trickle down effect) who feel overlooked want to hear. “Drain the swamp”. They know it exists and are sick of it. Many feel they have nothing to lose they have been neglected for so long. Rednecks or (like here?) Red Wall voters. They admire his strength and passion for the USA. As do I.

And the indictments? 🤣
Manufactured froth by the Democrats.

I am sorry . New Yorker here . You have no idea what you are talking about .
Trump is a Self serving egotist who only does whatever serves his own purpose : glamorising the Trump name .
He is a failed businessman .
He is a liar and a cheat : see failed Trump University.
Patriots don’t encourage insurrections.
The indictments are not manufactured they have been brought forth after many, many years of gathering evidence to bring a lawful conviction.
Trump achieved only a tiny percentage of what he promised in his last election . What he did deliver were tax cuts that mainly benefitted billionaires . These tax cuts drove the country into deep billion dollar debts .
Sadly, people can be easily led by news like Fox News which foments abrasive loud commentaries with little facts, memes that are fiction laden and podcast hosts that exist to wind up easily led public with more fiction.
I also wouldn’t give too much credence to his primary win as his wind were not as hands down and often with close margins .

Syracute

Urmstongran

Trump is Marmite. I happen to like both.

He is a patriot. Not a dyed in the wool politician with all the wheeler dealings that involves. He’s not afraid to speak his mind and gets things done. He really does put America first. He’s strong and charismatic. A powerful man in many ways. He says what the American people (who haven’t benefited from the trickle down effect) who feel overlooked want to hear. “Drain the swamp”. They know it exists and are sick of it. Many feel they have nothing to lose they have been neglected for so long. Rednecks or (like here?) Red Wall voters. They admire his strength and passion for the USA. As do I.

And the indictments? 🤣
Manufactured froth by the Democrats.

I am sorry . New Yorker here . You have no idea what you are talking about .
Trump is a Self serving egotist who only does whatever serves his own purpose : glamorising the Trump name .
He is a failed businessman .
He is a liar and a cheat : see failed Trump University.
Patriots don’t encourage insurrections.
The indictments are not manufactured they have been brought forth after many, many years of gathering evidence to bring a lawful conviction.
Trump achieved only a tiny percentage of what he promised in his last election . What he did deliver were tax cuts that mainly benefitted billionaires . These tax cuts drove the country into deep billion dollar debts .
Sadly, people can be easily led by news like Fox News which foments abrasive loud commentaries with little facts, memes that are fiction laden and podcast hosts that exist to wind up easily led public with more fiction.
I also wouldn’t give too much credence to his primary win as his wind were not as hands down and often with close margins .

Thank you!!

nanna8

I have to admit, unpleasant though he is in many ways, if I was American I would vote for Trump over Biden. I think he would be better for the USA ( though not for the rest of the western world!) He is also a lot less likely to start world war 3, he is a pragmatist. Alliances would change under him. I am sure he would be very bad for Australia and to a lesser extent,the UK.

Tell me exactly why you think this idiot would be “ better” for USA ???!!!

I agree that Biden is weak, and I think both Sunak and Starmer are weak, none of them show proper leadership qualities, in my opinion. I’m amazed that America can only field these two candidates for president. I think it must be, as I’ve been told, all about money.

Ah yes, the Abraham Accord. How is that going? Peace in the Holy Land? Iran brought into line, but forgot to stand back and stand down its proxy Houthis and Hezbollah fighters?

Trump hasn't been able to talk in complete sentences for some years. He is a paranoid, narcissistic sociopath with delusions of grandeur. He is now incapable of saying ordinary words correctly. If in doubt, watch any of his rallies where he rambles and continues to lie about anything that doesn't put him in a good light. Unfortunately his cult members lap it up though there are some Republicans that are turning away from him.

Many psychologists have concluded he is suffering from dementia. Dr John Gartner says Trump's brain is dementing whereas Biden's brain is just aging.

Dr John Gartner says Trump's brain is dementing whereas Biden's brain is just aging

This is not a good situation though, is it? Arguably, the most powerful leader in the Western World, certainly the free world anyway, and the choice is between two old men without their full mental faculties. Having said that, if I had to choose, which thankfully I don't, I would choose Biden and his team, not Trump and his venal family.

We are all facing economies that are flatlining

You keep saying things that are just plain wrong, suggesting you don’t do the smallest amount of independent research when forming your political views.

By almost any economic measure, the US is outstripping the UK, and US GDP grew by twice as much as the UK last year, and was significantly stronger than the Eurozone, Canada, Japan and several other major economies, and a similar situation is forecast this year.

Syracute

nanna8
“I have to admit, unpleasant though he is in many ways, if I was American I would vote for Trump over Biden. I think he would be better for the USA ( though not for the rest of the western world!) He is also a lot less likely to start world war 3, he is a pragmatist. Alliances would change under him. I am sure he would be very bad for Australia and to a lesser extent,the UK.
Tell me exactly why you think this idiot would be “ better” for USA ???!!!“

In my humble opinion, and I’ve lived in America and visited often and have family there, Trump is not the best thing for America, he is FAR more likely to start a War than anyone else, he is not interested in anything or anyone than himself, he LOVES publicity of any type and doesn’t appear to have any self awareness whatsoever! He’s not a great leader, he’s a nightmare!

So many against Trump on here (fair enough, and thank you for some voting Americans who bring their comments into the debate) but the polling booth is a private domain. Many folk don’t like to admit they admire Trump and will be voting for him come November! Time will tell.

Germanshepherdsmum......I have been watching the comments on these forums for a while now and I always find that you, GermanShepherdsmum have some not very nice things to say to people. My old mum used to say, if you cannot say anything nice keep your mouth shut (or in this era, keep your fingers off the keyboard).