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Dickens. - I’m absolutely with you on Trump.
Please don’t ever suggest that urmstongran’ s pro Trump views are the result of our Manchester water. I’m over the M60 from urmston, share the same Manchester water as do my family and friends. We share a loathing and mistrust of Trump so it isn’t the water that makes urmstongran have her odd views where Trump is concerned

Good morning urmstongran, hope you had a nice breakfast. Come on, confess.....you are enjoying winding people up on GN with your admiration of Trump aren't you! Who's next? Iron man Putin?

Agree He’s a good negotiator Will get heads of government around the table rather than have fingers hovering over nuclear buttons

Tamayra

Agree He’s a good negotiator Will get heads of government around the table rather than have fingers hovering over nuclear buttons

Do you mean that Trump is a good negotiator? If so, I have to disagree. The president of the US, regardless of who he is, will get heads of govt around a table because of the position he holds, unfortunately Trump's style is one of bullying not negotiation so he achieved very little during his term as POTUS except to alienate people. The United States, Russia, the UK, France, China, Israel, India, Pakistan and North Korea are considered to be nuclear powers, can you point to anything that Trump did that made nuclear war less likely? I can't, quite the opposite in fact.

Iam64

Dickens. - I’m absolutely with you on Trump.
Please don’t ever suggest that urmstongran’ s pro Trump views are the result of our Manchester water. I’m over the M60 from urmston, share the same Manchester water as do my family and friends. We share a loathing and mistrust of Trump so it isn’t the water that makes urmstongran have her odd views where Trump is concerned

I think it was Dr Watson who had 'thoughts' about something in the water, the thought never occurred to me!

just take a step back, be honest. He was kind of right about NATO. Kind of right about immigration. He grew the economy quite well. .... Tax reform worked. He was right about China. ... I don’t like how he said things about Mexico - but he wasn’t wrong about some of these critical issues. And that’s why they’re voting for him.

Even Bret Stephens, NY Times columnist and virulent “Never-Trumper” wrote a piece 2 weeks ago titled, "The case for Trump – by someone who wants him to lose". - it's worth a read!

Dickens

Iam64

Dickens. - I’m absolutely with you on Trump.
Please don’t ever suggest that urmstongran’ s pro Trump views are the result of our Manchester water. I’m over the M60 from urmston, share the same Manchester water as do my family and friends. We share a loathing and mistrust of Trump so it isn’t the water that makes urmstongran have her odd views where Trump is concerned

I think it was Dr Watson who had 'thoughts' about something in the water, the thought never occurred to me!

Dickens sincere apologies - I omitted to add “dr Watson, please don’t ….etc)
I think I need to take a break. I’m muddling things as I try to type quickly with a painful fractured right shoulder that makes it difficult 😞

Urmston - Trump. Was wrong about so many things. He’s dangerous. And seriously, how could anyone, self respecting women especially, vote for a man who boasted about grabbing their pussy, they;ll let you do anything
The leader of the free world - heaven help us

I don't like him.

Iam64

Dickens

Iam64

Dickens. - I’m absolutely with you on Trump.
Please don’t ever suggest that urmstongran’ s pro Trump views are the result of our Manchester water. I’m over the M60 from urmston, share the same Manchester water as do my family and friends. We share a loathing and mistrust of Trump so it isn’t the water that makes urmstongran have her odd views where Trump is concerned

I think it was Dr Watson who had 'thoughts' about something in the water, the thought never occurred to me!

Dickens sincere apologies - I omitted to add “dr Watson, please don’t ….etc)
I think I need to take a break. I’m muddling things as I try to type quickly with a painful fractured right shoulder that makes it difficult 😞

... as I try to type quickly with a painful fractured right shoulder that makes it difficult 😞

Ouch!

"Even Bret Stephens, NY Times columnist and virulent “Never-Trumper” wrote a piece 2 weeks ago titled, "The case for Trump – by someone who wants him to lose". - it's worth a read!"

Bret Stephens is a NYT opinion writer, not a columnist, it's his job to write articles that divide opinion so that readers, regardless of where they stand, read on and contribute to debate. It doesn't mean he believes any of the stuff he writes, it's about a headline that gets people to read the article. Interestingly he's a climate change denier so IMHO therefore not very good at understanding basic data, he's also a political conservative so won't be a Biden fan.

Iam64

Urmston - Trump. Was wrong about so many things. He’s dangerous. And seriously, how could anyone, self respecting women especially, vote for a man who boasted about grabbing their pussy, they;ll let you do anything
The leader of the free world - heaven help us

I think URMS is seeing in Trump what she wants to see.

It's not difficult to rationalise faults in an individual if they 'hit the spot' so to speak.

Maybe to some admirers, his "pussy-grabbing" rhetoric - and indeed, his pussy-grabbing days - are all in the past, and not part of who the man is now. I think it was, at the time of its revelation, written down by some as boys'-locker-room-talk'.

That is the only reason why I can believe that otherwise civilised women would find him tolerable. And I'm sure URMS is 'civilised' .

But, like you - I do think he's dangerous. And it's not simply an issue of not liking his politics; I believe the man is incapable of self-reflective awareness because his ego prevents him from ever accepting that he might be wrong. In a politician, that's worrying, in a world-leader, it's frightening.

Any attempt to hold him to account appears to send him into a rage, he cannot tolerate criticism. The timing of his tweets / Truth Social comments - where he lambasts his opponents and critics, indicate that he's not infrequently up half the night - this is not the behaviour of a stable personality. It's not healthy.

His belief in himself - spurred on by his admirers and supporters - is so intense that I think he now sees himself as some sort of demi-God or Guru who is going to put right all the ills - both imagined and real - that plague America. But not out of a love for mankind, rather from malice and spite.

He talks more like a gang-leader than a world-leader and, to me, he has all the makings and markings of a tyrannical dictator.

I think there are misunderstandings on here (and elsewhere) about the way NATO is funded.
No-one owes the USA (or NATO). It's just Trump talking rubbish again.

Oh dear oh dear, Urmston, "Chump inspires me" -- well, you'd have to look in a mirror to see why the 'pussy grabber' might do that? Your "I don’t even think it’s anything in the Manchester water as he has many millions of supporters! I’ve seen them on tv" --- that suggests you have some issues, as few of his voters/fans would have been taking the Manchester water?! Huge chunks of America would vote for a giraffe if it was wearing the right rosette, many States are historically entrenched for a given party (unless one guy stands out), and so most elections are decided by about 6 States.

Chump didn't do that well in his term, hence alienated some of his fans, who are sufficiently gullible to believe that MAGA nonsense (you have to understand how insular and ill-informed a mass of their voters are).

He's also as corrupt as any modern-day PoTUS, far more than most, and of course very few have tried to stage a revolution to cling onto power. That will count against him with a number of voters (the Dems campaign may just remind them?!) and so will his attempts to change 'Obamacare' -- seek out any of several TV i'views with some of his poorer, sicker voters, who hadn't realised they were voting for someone to make their lives even worse, while people who are quite well off get some more help. The films were quite funny to watch, but the people seemed rather upset, as they were finding out the hard way their hero wasn't going to make THEIR America great again - but much worse.

This is a multiple bankrupt, who boasts of his business skills -- and in the past has gloated about rooking his investors & debtors when recovering from those failures, paying a few cents on the dollar.

Oh, and he's an inveterate liar, maybe you're a fan of his obvious lies, as with this Stormy thing, at the start "never heard of her, affair? - certainly not", then (when pictures came out) "oh, yes, might have met her, but I see so many", followed by "payoff?, no absolutely not, why would I", and coming along a week or two later, "oh, OK, the lawyer paid her off, I knew nothing about it", then the (almost full circle, when told that was illegal), "oh, no, not the lawyer, I paid her off, my money, yes, that was it".

So, he definitely, he himself, paid off the broad that he definitely hadn't met? Got all that? And that payment, that was for not having an affair, definitely not. Poor girl needed a new dress, & shoes, what's a guy to do?

And such a lovely guy, he's actually on record some 20 years ago when writing that it's their own fault that poor people are poor, they're stupid.

Sadly, the US system sometimes gives the public 2 lemons to choose from, and guess what, they end up picking one. Biden actually has done quite well, the economy has flourished, but with image counting for so much, his doddery appearance may get voters to forget that Chump is only slightly younger. I'm sure the campaign will remind them of the corruption charges (all quite justified) and the Capitol fiasco, and there'll be some campaign ads with Chump claiming he'd never met Stormy (that whole saga had him on film, making progressively more damaging admissions).

Another key point that could lose him some important votes is amongst some of the women that had seem thrilled by him, and that's his support for the recent abortion changes, a fiasco of a policy.

Oh, and on the female front, who knows, the Dems may persuade Michelle Obama to get on board as Vice-President candidate, to show the public that someone credible - and charismatic -- is waiting if Joe gets elected and either falls off the perch, or has to go into care. Whatever Chump's bluster, his chances go into a major slump if she gets involved!

[Let me know about that Bridge opportunity I mentioned . . .]