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Generational stereotypes (Trigger Warning for Jeremy Vine!)

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Doodledog Wed 10-Apr-24 10:14:51

Jeremy Vine is currently discussing 'Generation Zee' and whether they are workshy. He irritates me at the best of times, but on this he's utterly infuriating. He is obsessed with not being a 'Boomer' as he was born in 1965, which is on the cusp of Boomer and Gen X, and is always banging on about who belongs in which group. I think he believes it makes him seem younger than he is.

The whole thing is a marketing invention anyway, not a real 'thing'. How can there be significant differences between someone born in 1965 (Gen X), and 1964 (Boomer), and not between people born in 1965 and 1979 (both Gen X) or between people born in 1945 and 1964 (both Boomers)? It makes no sense. Some US scales include 'Generation Jones', or 'Boomers 2' which splits the Boomer generation between those born between 1945-54 and 1955-64. That makes a bit more more sense, but still ignores sex, social class, geographical differences (and luck, which IMO has the greatest influence on life chances).

I've switched off JV, as there is a ranting young woman who's representing 'Gen Zee' and is shouting down Nina Myscow, who is being very calm and reasonable about it, and I can't bear it any more (I may be a bit stressed grin).

So, having got that off my chest, what are your views on these supposed generational differences? Is it broadly true that Millennials are workshop, Gen Z are narcissistic, Boomers are selfish and spoilt, and so on, or is it a load of tosh?

Bumface Tue 16-Apr-24 14:57:56

I was blissfully unaware of Vine before he took over Eggheads from Dermot Murnaghan who I really liked. I went from being a regular viewer to never watching as the combination of CJ, Chris Hughes and Vine was just too much. Since then I have avoided anything with Vine in it. However, I like his brother and find him very funny.

knspol Sun 14-Apr-24 20:55:48

Can't be bothered to watch anything with JV, so annoying.

4allweknow Sun 14-Apr-24 20:51:02

Can't stand Jeremy Vine. Nothing but shouty (probably not a word) sensationalism.

Callistemon21 Sun 14-Apr-24 20:12:40

Doodledog

rafichagran

Jerrmy had Suzanne Constantine on his show, and he kept on about her age, early 60's I believe. I thought she was getting a bit annoyed about it.

I'm not surprised. I didn't see that, but can well believe it. He does it all the time - always distancing himself from anyone even a year or two older - and expects people to speak for everyone in their 'generation'.

Oh dear.

Is he past it?

Doodledog Sun 14-Apr-24 18:01:32

rafichagran

Jerrmy had Suzanne Constantine on his show, and he kept on about her age, early 60's I believe. I thought she was getting a bit annoyed about it.

I'm not surprised. I didn't see that, but can well believe it. He does it all the time - always distancing himself from anyone even a year or two older - and expects people to speak for everyone in their 'generation'.

Musicgirl Sun 14-Apr-24 17:40:47

I was born in December 1964, so very much on the cusp between the boomers and Generation X. I would say that at best these names refer to life experiences. In this context, my experiences would match far more with someone born between, say, 1965 and 1972 than with those born later in the seventies, but my life experiences would also be far more similar with those born between around 1958 and 1964 than those born in the late forties/early fifties. That being said, I have friends of all ages - differing life experiences makes things interesting, as we see here on Gransnet. I have read that there were two baby booms: the first one is the one most people think of from 1945 until the early fifties. The second was actually larger than the first and is my own age group 1958-1964, with my year, 1964, having the largest birth rate of all.

rafichagran Sun 14-Apr-24 17:06:07

Jerrmy had Suzanne Constantine on his show, and he kept on about her age, early 60's I believe. I thought she was getting a bit annoyed about it.

Callistemon21 Sun 14-Apr-24 16:35:20

Elusivebutterfly

My children are in two different generations according to these categories, despite being brought up together and born only a couple of years apart. This tends to prove it's a bit stupid.

Interestingly, when I was young I always thought Baby Boomers were those born up to 1955, mainly those born after their parents returned from the war. I think those born in the postwar years experienced a different childhood compared to those born in the 1960s so lumping them all together feels odd.

It's all a load of contrived rubbish, designed by those with a feeling of resentment fuelled by their perceived notions of Baby Boomers "having it all".

It's taken off from there with more labels for different age groups.

Summerfly Sun 14-Apr-24 16:31:45

I cannot abide Jeremy Vine. Switched him off a long time ago. He has one of the most irritating voices on radio. I’ve never watched him on TV.

Elusivebutterfly Sun 14-Apr-24 16:29:33

My children are in two different generations according to these categories, despite being brought up together and born only a couple of years apart. This tends to prove it's a bit stupid.

Interestingly, when I was young I always thought Baby Boomers were those born up to 1955, mainly those born after their parents returned from the war. I think those born in the postwar years experienced a different childhood compared to those born in the 1960s so lumping them all together feels odd.

Callistemon21 Sun 14-Apr-24 15:53:49

biglouis

*I am from the old brigade, born during world war 11 and think what is happening in the world today with all this woke, transgender, Gen Z, baby boomer etc. etc. is a load of codswollop*

Agree 100%. Cant be arrised with the woke/transgender/cancel culture rubbish. Those of us born during WWII are not boomers. We are the so called Silent generation. No one, even my worst enemy, could accuse me of being silent.

😂😂😂

As I said, fat chance!!

Callistemon21 Sun 14-Apr-24 15:52:19

Elegran

Grandma2002

Please tell me what GEN I'm in. I was born in 1939.

Same as me, Grandma2002 , you are "Postwar" I don't understand that, as I thought we were being classified by our date of birth - but my date of birth was definitely PREwar. That was when things were built to last, and also when words meant what they were supposed to mean.

You're the Silent Generation
We're supposed to put up and shut up

Fat chance 😂

Elegran Sun 14-Apr-24 15:30:56

Grandma2002

Please tell me what GEN I'm in. I was born in 1939.

Same as me, Grandma2002 , you are "Postwar" I don't understand that, as I thought we were being classified by our date of birth - but my date of birth was definitely PREwar. That was when things were built to last, and also when words meant what they were supposed to mean.

rocketship Sun 14-Apr-24 14:40:36

This fellow sounds like the 'shock jocks' we have on radio, pod casts, and television in N. America.

The more outrageous they are, the more the fringe idiots listen to them.... and believe them!! envy

Suzey Sun 14-Apr-24 14:37:36

Can't stand him I watch gbnews then it's the radio

FlexibleFriend Sun 14-Apr-24 14:01:06

The reason Matthew looked down on breeders was because he'd been through years of IVF which destroyed his first marriage and clearly left him feeling very bitter. He succeeded with his second wife and wanted a quieter life I believe.

FlexibleFriend Sun 14-Apr-24 13:53:37

I stopped watching shortly after Matthew left and tbh even he was driving me nuts towards the end of his run. Jeremy Vine is a self opinionated moron in a similar league to Richard Madeley they both foist their opinions down others throats.

Amalegra Sun 14-Apr-24 13:45:25

Rarely watch these sort of programmes as guaranteed to make my blood boil! ‘Question Time’ is impossible for me with their carefully chosen audience which they still insist is ‘representative’! I don’t like this lumping the generations into various groups. It makes far too many generalisations about people who are actually individuals with their own hopes and dreams, successes and failures and unique ways of thinking. But that’s what government and media LOVE isn’t it? Just like the former USSR we are all considered en masse rather than the individuals we are. A marketing dream and an Orwellian style nightmare. Individualism is well and truly being crushed. We should stand up (and out!) for it before it’s too late!

Pythagorus Sun 14-Apr-24 13:26:42

Load of tosh! Everyone has to have a label! Every second person is labelled as Narcissistic or on the Autistic spectrum.

biglouis Sun 14-Apr-24 13:12:01

I am from the old brigade, born during world war 11 and think what is happening in the world today with all this woke, transgender, Gen Z, baby boomer etc. etc. is a load of codswollop

Agree 100%. Cant be arrised with the woke/transgender/cancel culture rubbish. Those of us born during WWII are not boomers. We are the so called Silent generation. No one, even my worst enemy, could accuse me of being silent.

Wrinkle2 Sun 14-Apr-24 13:02:37

No, not really. Ruins my day when I accidentally hear him!

Tattooedfidelma Sun 14-Apr-24 13:02:30

I’m in the minority but love Jeremy Vine. A lot of these debates are tongue in cheek and I’m stunned at how upset people are getting! The easy answer is to turn it off/over.

Delila Sun 14-Apr-24 12:58:27

Intergenerational division is a ploy to distract from government failure. While we are all at each other’s throats, blaming each other for all that ails, we’re not watching too closely what the government is up to.

Doodledog Sun 14-Apr-24 12:52:38

I think that did happen, Buttonjugs, but I thought he left for another reason. Was it for 'outing' John Leslie as the man accused of raping Ulrika Jonsson? I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that he left all of a sudden, and the 'being with his wife' story didn't ring true.

Regardless, I thought his show was livelier and less irritating than JV's. MW could be annoying at times, but so can anyone on a show like that if you don't agree with them. He didn't make it all about himself though (or not so obviously), and he didn't constantly try to look 'cool'.

I think Storm does a great job. She's very even-handed, and more assertive than Jezza when it comes to refereeing her guests.

I like discussion shows, as if they are done well they show what the zeitgeist is, and what the public think about what's in the media. My favourite is Any Answers (although again, I sometimes want to throw things at the radio), but the trick is to let the presenter be a facilitator, not a participant, and JV can't bear to step back. It's very obvious what he thinks, particularly when it comes to things like pensions, and that is infuriating given that he earns about £750k a year. How can he possibly know what it's like for Mr or Mrs Average?

Callistemon21 Sun 14-Apr-24 12:46:54

The younger ones slat us for having it easier etc but didn’t we do the same thing when we were in our 20s with our grandparents

Actually, no.
My parents went through tough times and I'm sure my grandparents did too but I knew that.

We have seen better time, more peaceful and more prosperous, but fought for by our parents and grandparents.