Prince Harry will not meet the King during UK visit.

Harry is giving what they want, he knows this

The King must feel bad about Harry's behaviour and it must have been a hard decision for the King to make.

What I don't understand is why Harry can't come to the UK as privately as possible to meet with his father?

I'm sure it could be arranged on a date suitable for both.

But maybe Harry doesn't want that. He'd rather this sort of publicity for Netflix etc etc

Yesterday the King had his weekly meeting with the PM,
a garden party where many charity workers etc will have been
invited, naughty King should have cancelled these, H needs
love and understanding !

H wants publicity Louella. He doesn’t do ‘private’ or ‘low profile’.

Even if they did meet I think things might be strained and stressful. Who knows whether every single word would be trumpeted in social media or misinterpreted or not ? Hard for the King and probably right to be busy.

Callistemon21

nadateturbe

I agree with you Urmstongran.
I feel sorry for Harry. He needs understanding and love.

He does, but he's 39 now, not 12 or 15 and he's a married man with a family.

I don't think age makes a difference. We're always the parents in the relationship.

Anniebach I'm with you.

I don’t think Annie was being serious.

H was fine until M told him otherwise.

Definitely not serious GSM

Nadateturbe you think the King should have cancelled the
garden party, explained to the PM their meeting wasn’t as
important as a meeting with H ?

Have seen in today’s news that a double amputee young boy had to miss yesterday’s garden party, as he was caught up in traffic and was too late.

BP have been in touch, looks like he will be invited to another one.

The young boy’s feelings do not compare with the anguish of
a 39 year old man desperate for headlines , true ?

If Harry desperately wanted to see his father, he could have stayed a little longer in order to find a suitable time slot. I believe he was only staying in the UK for two nights. It’s obvious that the king couldn’t rearrange a garden party or an audience with the PM. He will also need to build rest periods into every day as cancer treatment is very tiring.

However my guess is that Charles preferred to not see Harry because he has been hurt too deeply. I’m estranged from my sister and therefore I know full well how hurtful the behaviour of others is sometimes, and it is easier and less painful to simply avoid contact with the person who is the cause of the pain.

It was a spokesperson for H who said he was hoping to see Charles so no Dickens I don't think the media is partly responsible.

Nothing needed to be said but if it hadn't been, there'd have been no spotlight on H's victim hood mentality.

We're always the parent in the relationship true nadateturbe and parents have just as much right as their AC to look after their mental and physical well being.

Being the AC in the relationship, doesn't mean you can treat your parents and wider family so abhorrently and not be on the receiving end of any repercussions. That should be the difference between being a child and an adult child.

it is easier and less painful to simply avoid contact with the person who is the cause of the pain that's how we feel too maddy about our ES and if that is the reason why they didn't meet, I can totally understand Charles' decision.

I don't think age makes a difference. We're always the parents in the relationship.

Quite right.
Any responsible parent would tell their 39 year old son off for his foolish behaviour which was bringing him into disrepute, and may well have done so, hence the estrangement.

Yes, I can too Smileless.
I think it’s sometimes difficult for those who are not estranged to understand the pain of estrangement, and the history which has caused so much pain. The way my sister has behaved towards me has hurt me deeply over many year (she has mental health issues.) I held out an olive branch when our mother was dying and she eagerly grabbed it. I thought maybe we could have a better relationship afterwards but no, she immediately started to make horrible accusations against me about the estate, even to the solicitor who was dealing with it. Luckily he quickly understood how nasty she was being, but after that I decided that I couldn’t cope with her abusive and false accusations and behaviour and that I yet again didn’t need her histrionics and drama in my life. My husband and the solicitor dealt with her after that. It’s sad, but it protects me. I imagine Charles feels much the same way.

I remember maddy it was such an awful time for you, on top of losing your mum .

We've been spared any further abuse, false accusations and histrionics from our ES's wife now we're estranged and of course for Charles and the wider family there is another issue in the current state of the relationship to be considered; Meghan.

Yes Smileless, these situations are terribly sad, whether it’s the royal family, or any other family. I do feel for Charles and William because I’ve endured similar (thankfully not played out in front of the whole world though) and the same applies to you. In my sister’s case she is also estranged from two of her children and therefore her grandchildren, and though not estranged, never actually sees a third child/grandchildren. I know the same applies to you. Every time Harry pops over to the UK, Charles will feel very torn I imagine. For William it’s easier, like me, he’s made his decision and is living with it.

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t think Annie was being serious.

H was fine until M told him otherwise.

Jealousy can be a very destructive force.

I have just read a sycophantic piece in the Daily Telegraph which is all about family tensions; very little about the purpose of Invictus Games.

Which is standard behaviour for Harry now. Every event, every interview, charity event, taxi ride, going to the supermarket to buy a tube of toothpaste..... every single one is an opportunity for them to bleat on about how unfairly they've been treated, how broken they are, how horrible the world is to them. Rarely, if ever, do they manage to scratch a few words together about the actual event they're there to support. Even the bible reading yesterday had ZERO to do with sportsmanship. He just can't see himself as anything other than a centre staged victim.

Did Harry choose the Bible reading?
I thought it a very strange choice for celebrating the achievements of the veterans.

Hi to Smileless, I am just replying to your post mentioning me yesterday (16.38) I understand that pointing out Charles should have unconditional love for his son maybe something that many can not agree with. many hurtful actions can come from the child be they 4 14 or 40 years old but still I do have unconditional love for my own adult daughter. I know hurtful actions push many into estrangement and how each of us finds our way of coping with our own particular problems cannot suit everyone. The trust in a relationship is important and so easily destroyed and feelings are hurt often beyond repair. When I wrote my post I was thinking about circumstances with my own adult daughter and still as a parent I still have unconditional love for her. I have been on the receiving end of horrible abusive behaviour from her which has impacted on my life and also her siblings. In general life has been difficult and dark even for her children. Despite the pain and hurt I keep open communication ties with her, I keep boundaries in place and will only speak to her without any abuse. My daughter unlike Harry is not on the other side of the world however if she was visiting the U.K and asked to see me I would change what appointments I could to give her some of my time, but that is only what I would do and I know many would feel very different.

I understand what you are saying 3nanny6 but it is not easy for Charles to change his arrangements like we could. It’s impractical to postpone a garden party with hundreds of people invited and all the preparation that goes into it, and his audience with the PM is not readily altered either. Today I believe he’s visiting an army training base for the Royal Engineers, and they will have prepared for his visit for a while. We can easily rearrange a lunch date, or even a dental appointment but the king isn’t in a position to simply change his itinerary in the way we can.

Unfortunately Harry seems very much the product of the
rather dysfunctional, at times, historically unpleasant Spencer family. Earl Spencer treated his first wife atrociously, is estranged from two of his daughters and refused Diana, the much loved maligned sister (??!!) a refuge at Althorp after her divorce. Something she couldn't forgive and was, for this reason when she died, not on speaking terms with him. Johnny Spencer, their father was frankly a horrid man. So Harry, considering his behaviour post Meghan, gravitating to his Spencer family seems exceptionally appropriate. Thank goodness William was born first, and seems a chip off the late Queens block.