Disabled Auriol Grey has manslaughter conviction overturned

No Oreo that's not what I mean. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think there are degrees of autism? We know a couple who have a severely autistic daughter who is in her 40s. She doesn't understand the world at all. There is no way she would be allowed out on her own. She couldn't cope and would get into all sorts of trouble.

I always thought sending her to jail was the wrong decision.

Thank you.

The fault lies in the ridiculous idea that a shared path can contain cyclists and pedestrians at the same time.
The cyclist complied with this woman's wishes, even though she was wrong, and was killed as a result. I hope Auriol Gray is not allowed out unattended.

Sago

I have to look left and right before leaving my front gate.
I am often startled by cyclists on the footpath.
I am a fit 60 year old, if I was older and disabled in any way I’m sure it can be terrifying.
We need an army of street wardens with the powers to stop all this low level crime that causes so much angst.

I agree, though this whole story is tragic and an old lady needlessly died.

I think she should never have been either charged or convicted in the first place. I’m pleased she has been released now.

I agree with eazybee that cyclists and pedestrians should not be expected to share a path. It’s a recipe for disaster as shown by this case.

Kate1949

No Oreo that's not what I mean. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think there are degrees of autism? We know a couple who have a severely autistic daughter who is in her 40s. She doesn't understand the world at all. There is no way she would be allowed out on her own. She couldn't cope and would get into all sorts of trouble.

Of course there are degrees, the austistic spectrum is huge, my daughter is autistic and holds down a teaching role.

Cerebral Palsy also varies dramatically from person to person.

MissAdventure

I would class it as an accidental death.

Me too.

JaneJudge

We can't stop people with disabilities walking amongst us but we can campaign for proper care and support of people. The opposite has been happening and continues to do so because of austerity. 'Locking people away' costs a lot more money than people with disabilities living in their own communities in supported or assisted living arrangements

👏👏👏👏👏 Probably not enough services to give each person in supported living a person on a 1-1 basis.

It makes no difference where I live if the pavement is marked, many cyclists, including deliveries, use the pavements anyway!

I think this could happen again sadly.

The onus really is on the council to have clearly marked which lane was for which, and if they didn't know, then found some way of mistaking a new ruling.

Then they should have clearly marked it.

Then, it may be more possible to apportion blame, if there is any.

Sorry.
My phone is writing it's own version of my opinion.

Not sure how I feel about this. I worked with learning disabled people for many years. Can't help feeling the victim and her family have been overlooked in all this.

Somewhat after the horse bolted, it looks as though the pathway has actually now been marked as a shared route.
road.cc/content/news/shared-use-path-signs-be-put-huntingdon-303071

I'm not saying Ms Grey was guilty of anything apart from being aggressive. She obviously didn't realise the lady would die.

Is accidental killing not the same as manslaughter then ?

Cossy

JaneJudge

We can't stop people with disabilities walking amongst us but we can campaign for proper care and support of people. The opposite has been happening and continues to do so because of austerity. 'Locking people away' costs a lot more money than people with disabilities living in their own communities in supported or assisted living arrangements

👏👏👏👏👏 Probably not enough services to give each person in supported living a person on a 1-1 basis.

This.

I'm expecting an assessment has been done before she was release as to whether she needs 1 2 1 for going out and about?

My guess it that it will be difficult to provide this more than weekly/twice weekly unless there is private money.

IMO cyclists should not be allowed on pavements and shared pavements are a recipe for disaster. Where I live cyclists and E scooters regularly ride on the pavements , often at speed causing pedestrians to jump out of their way.
If you’re not confident cycling on the road , which I understand was the reason for the cyclist to be on the pavement, then you shouldn’t be cycling.

Re autism: a lot depends on the underlying level of learning disability. I've worked with people with autism who have severe learning disability and also met many who had average or above average IQ and leading very normal lives. However, if stressed, maybe by change, the autism comes back sharply into focus.

Wyllow3

Cossy

JaneJudge

We can't stop people with disabilities walking amongst us but we can campaign for proper care and support of people. The opposite has been happening and continues to do so because of austerity. 'Locking people away' costs a lot more money than people with disabilities living in their own communities in supported or assisted living arrangements

👏👏👏👏👏 Probably not enough services to give each person in supported living a person on a 1-1 basis.

This.

I'm expecting an assessment has been done before she was release as to whether she needs 1 2 1 for going out and about?

My guess it that it will be difficult to provide this more than weekly/twice weekly unless there is private money.

The report said although she has been out of prison quite a while a support package has not been put in place. Neighbours and friends are supporting her in the meantime.

I've just read the old thread and it seems we went over a lot of what is being discussed on there.

I wonder if assessments have been made whilst she was in prison given the family have thanked them for 'looking after' her.

All this publicity must be really difficult for the victims family though on top of such an awful event and loss of life for their much loved family member.

That sounds distinctly unsatisfactory Primrose. I’m amazed that she has been released without a support package which will keep the public safe.

I'd like to say it is unbelievable but I'm going to struggle to be convincing

MissAdventure

I would class it as an accidental death.

Absolutely. But now we have a culture where there is no room for accidents someone always has to pay.