Why is this so prevalent in England ?

My son asked me, "Why do humans have wisdom teeth". I didn't know why. He said it was for ripping apart raw meat from an animal, before fire and cooking was used. He said that humans have lived the same for 300,000 years and yet today, finally, through evolution, babies are being born, humans exist which will never have wisdom teeth. He said it took hundreds of thousands of years of evolution to catch up to what humans are doing now. That said, he said that after hundred of thousands of years, human lifestyles have been violated ant disturbed by the introduction of technology, internet, factories, lack of self-sustaining means and now because this evolution of society has surpassed the capabilities of humans to adjust to it, we will have all humans in chaos with mental illness (so called) and violence because humankind have not been given enough time to evolve with the society that is pressed against them. Thoughts?

nanna8

That is lovely Macadia Very like how it was when my children were young. We are fortunate here where we live because things are still very ‘innocent’ for now at least. Can’t say we regret leaving and emigrating 50 years ago, especially just now. I hope we never get like that but I’m not holding my breath!

I'm glad you like it!

I blame Farage and his ilk ,they,ve rampedup hatred against anyone not born in England for years .This is the outcome along with Brexit and the loss of thousands of EU citizens who held up the NHS amongst other things.

I think you are absolutely correct, paddyann54.

We had an anti EU campaign in which immigration played a prominent part and since then we have had governments pushing the anti immigrant agenda, fully supported by most of the popular media.

I think relating the actions of the rioters to those of football fans is absolutely correct, too. It's mindless tribal action fuelled by being in a 'pack' and the supposed anonymity that provides. And it's exciting...

Ironically, I suspect that it's more English than Scottish, Welsh or Irish because the English have never been the 'underdogs', they've been fed the story of Empire and being 'top nation' and they feel that 'immigrants' are challenging that story by being apparently outwith the control of the 'top nation'. Which makes them very angry...

This is definitely something that Starmer is going to have to tackle.

How long it will take goodness knows but it can’t be ignored if we want to get to a place in the U.K. that is no longer so febrile.

You might like to read this article by Dame Sarah Khan that looks at the issue.

“The Conservative government left the UK wide open to the far-right violence erupting across parts of the country by ignoring red flags and stoking fires with a culture war agenda, a senior adviser on extremism to Tory prime ministers has said.

Repeated and urgent counsel that far-right extremists were exploiting gaps in the law to foment violence on social media had been ignored while top-rank politicians in a series of administrations sought to gain advantage by waging culture wars.

The writing was clearly on the wall for some time,” Khan said. “All my reports have shown, in a nutshell that, firstly, these extremist and cohesion threats are worsening; secondly, that our country is woefully unprepared. We’ve got a gap in our legislation which is allowing these extremists to operate with impunity.

They scrapped the counter-extremism strategy [in 2021], including all the resources and funding for local areas across the country who are struggling with extremist activity and extremist actors. And the government, at that time, did not replace it with anything. They left local authorities struggling to deal with consistent extremist challenges in their area.

“Political leadership is really important and how our politicians behave is really, really critical, because I’ve seen, and I’m sure other people have seen, politicians who have actually, indirectly or directly undermined social cohesion because they’ve used inflammatory language.”

There’s a serious duty on our politicians to not engage in inflammatory language; to not use, for example, dehumanising language about asylum seekers, refugees and, you know, people who are coming to our country.

“Of course, there’s a legitimate debate about immigration, about numbers and all of those things, but there’s a way that you can talk about these issues without using dehumanising and inflammatory language. Because, by using that language, you just see extremists co-opting that. You see people saying, well, if politicians can use that language, why can’t we?”

mae13

TakeThat7

Plenty British in Australia and all over the world and all the hotels full of British in great places Leave the people alone in these hotels British are put up with abroàd all the timeAll these thugs want to be accepted when they are abroàd grow up

Punctuation?

Or simply thick?

mae13, I have to call you out on your unpleasant post.
There has been an unspoken protocol on GN for as long as I have been on, that we do not criticise individual posters regarding their spelling or grammar.

We never know if a poster is dyslexic or has difficulties.

There is a lot of racial hate in the UK, the vote for Reform proved that, don’t blame Farage it was there long before he came onto the scene. It’s not at all uncommon to heard pointed comments on race, don’t think it’s just men, women are just as bad.

We had the opposite reaction when the police kicked a black man in Manchester, at least it didn’t end in a riot then, if he had been seriously hurt it would have done.

Why do we have to have borders? Sad. We are all citizens of this planet.

Sadly the far right have become emboldened by becoming mainstream politically after Brexit, and though the Tories have now gone Reform have representation in the HoC.
Is mainly in England because, just as Brexit was mainly voted for by the English, there is a history of colonisation by England and some still think that white Indigenous English people are way superior to anyone else and that those nasty Johnny foreigners need to be dealt with by the boot.
Am ashamed to call myself English when I see it.

You might like to read this article by Dame Sarah Khan that looks at the issue.

I'd very much like to read it, but where will I find it?
Is it a recent article?

A wee clue or two would help me to find it 😆

Oh sorry.

You can more or less always guess anything I post is in todays guardian or the bbc.

This is in the Guardian.

David49

There is a lot of racial hate in the UK, the vote for Reform proved that, don’t blame Farage it was there long before he came onto the scene. It’s not at all uncommon to heard pointed comments on race, don’t think it’s just men, women are just as bad.

We had the opposite reaction when the police kicked a black man in Manchester, at least it didn’t end in a riot then, if he had been seriously hurt it would have done.

I’m sorry to disagree but Farage has got a lot to answer for! This whole immigration issue was blown way way out of proportion during Brexit, the media perpetuated it and the Tories used migration to divert attention from some of their failings.

Farage even called the recent election “the immigration election”

Sadly when people like him blame immigration for an entire countries woes and failures it seems to legitimise racism.

Babs03

Sadly the far right have become emboldened by becoming mainstream politically after Brexit, and though the Tories have now gone Reform have representation in the HoC.
Is mainly in England because, just as Brexit was mainly voted for by the English, there is a history of colonisation by England and some still think that white Indigenous English people are way superior to anyone else and that those nasty Johnny foreigners need to be dealt with by the boot.
Am ashamed to call myself English when I see it.

I absolutely agree!

England is more crowded with people than Scotland, perhaps ? Though that doesn’t quite fit because Ireland has unrest,too and it isn’t crowded like parts of England. It was good seeing
Catholics and Protestants arm in arm for once, I must admit.

Elrel

TakeThat7 Sun 04-Aug-24 22:44:53
And then there are all the jobs people from other countries do because not enough British willing to do them‘

Like the Filipino emergency nurses in Sunderland whose taxis were attacked as they travelled to work.

That's just dreadful.

Those stupid, ignorant, racist thugs!!

The Filipino nurses were the kindest and loveliest when I was recently in hospital.
Not saying the other nurses weren't very good and efficient but the Filipino ones were very gentle as well as efficient.

Ali23

I’m not saying that it isn’t a problem… it worries me too… but I live in Leicester and was shocked to see reports on TV to say we had had trouble too ( although without major violence I think). What wasn’t reported at all was that about half a mile away people of all colours and nationalities were rubbing along peacefully together on the park. I know because I was on the park at the time.

What I’m trying to say is that the peaceful rubbing along is MUCH more typically English, and the protests and violence are the only bits that get attention.

Where were you 2 Summers ago? There was major fighting and disruption between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.
We lived in Leics and still have relatives there and they said it was dreadful.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Leicester_unrest

Marydoll

mae13

TakeThat7

Plenty British in Australia and all over the world and all the hotels full of British in great places Leave the people alone in these hotels British are put up with abroàd all the timeAll these thugs want to be accepted when they are abroàd grow up

Punctuation?

Or simply thick?

mae13, I have to call you out on your unpleasant post.
There has been an unspoken protocol on GN for as long as I have been on, that we do not criticise individual posters regarding their spelling or grammar.

We never know if a poster is dyslexic or has difficulties.

Or a person whose first language is not English.

Cossy

Babs03

Sadly the far right have become emboldened by becoming mainstream politically after Brexit, and though the Tories have now gone Reform have representation in the HoC.
Is mainly in England because, just as Brexit was mainly voted for by the English, there is a history of colonisation by England and some still think that white Indigenous English people are way superior to anyone else and that those nasty Johnny foreigners need to be dealt with by the boot.
Am ashamed to call myself English when I see it.

I absolutely agree!

white Indigenous English people are way superior to anyone else and that those nasty Johnny foreigners need to be dealt with by the boot.

Sorry, but it is the Britons (Welsh, Cornish) who are the indigenous peoples of these British Isles, pushed to the further most regions by invaders, the Angles, Saxons and Jutes.

Primrose53

Ali23

I’m not saying that it isn’t a problem… it worries me too… but I live in Leicester and was shocked to see reports on TV to say we had had trouble too ( although without major violence I think). What wasn’t reported at all was that about half a mile away people of all colours and nationalities were rubbing along peacefully together on the park. I know because I was on the park at the time.

What I’m trying to say is that the peaceful rubbing along is MUCH more typically English, and the protests and violence are the only bits that get attention.

Where were you 2 Summers ago? There was major fighting and disruption between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.
We lived in Leics and still have relatives there and they said it was dreadful.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Leicester_unrest

Well thank goodness the issues have been resolved and as ali23 people largely live peacefully together.

You almost sound as if you regret this.

Any riot is dreadful if you are caught up in it, that goes without saying. Unfortunately they are a fact of life, all over the world, and for a multitude of reasons. We’ve had plenty in the UK, both this century and previously.
What’s really different this time is the external interference through social media, and that is something the government must put resources into. If I were them I’d be thinking about counter measures, and as well as identifying and dealing very swiftly with content, using influencers to spread alternative messages and emphasise the scale of punishments - I think we have to counter like with like.

I guess large parts of the population had no worry with legal immigration but the illegal immigration has lit the touch paper. The Government must act

Floradora9

I cannot understand the mentality of those people , mostly men , causing so much damage in England at the moment. We are all shocked at the murders in Southport but why are they damaging and even looting shops ? This mentality of keeping England for the English is not found in Wales or Scotland but it is found in nothern Ireland . I see them waving flags of Saint George and rioting in so many cities. If the killer of these childen had been say French would they feel the same ? I am sure colour comes into it . I saw someone orchestrating the youths to cause havoc what are their parents thinking they are up to . I must admit I dispair of the mentality of these people .

You live in France? If so am not sure why you are surprised as the French enjoy a riot at the drop of a hat.
There have been riots here on and off about all sorts of things, the poll tax riots, the miners and Tottenham riots to mention but a few.
There’s always a reason even if it’s an underlying one.This time it’s about immigration.

Whitewavemark2

Primrose53

Ali23

I’m not saying that it isn’t a problem… it worries me too… but I live in Leicester and was shocked to see reports on TV to say we had had trouble too ( although without major violence I think). What wasn’t reported at all was that about half a mile away people of all colours and nationalities were rubbing along peacefully together on the park. I know because I was on the park at the time.

What I’m trying to say is that the peaceful rubbing along is MUCH more typically English, and the protests and violence are the only bits that get attention.

Where were you 2 Summers ago? There was major fighting and disruption between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.
We lived in Leics and still have relatives there and they said it was dreadful.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Leicester_unrest

Well thank goodness the issues have been resolved and as ali23 people largely live peacefully together.

You almost sound as if you regret this.

Don’t try to put words into my mouth.

There has always been an underlying tension in Leicester and Asians and West Indians have never mixed. There have also always been no go areas.

Just because people can share one of Leicester’s many parks does not mean the problem has been resolved.

Tuaim

Check out news footage from all over the world. It is prevalent in all countries where it is permissible at one time or another. In countries where it is not, there is usually a dictatorship.

This.

Callistemon213

Cossy

Babs03

Sadly the far right have become emboldened by becoming mainstream politically after Brexit, and though the Tories have now gone Reform have representation in the HoC.
Is mainly in England because, just as Brexit was mainly voted for by the English, there is a history of colonisation by England and some still think that white Indigenous English people are way superior to anyone else and that those nasty Johnny foreigners need to be dealt with by the boot.
Am ashamed to call myself English when I see it.

I absolutely agree!

white Indigenous English people are way superior to anyone else and that those nasty Johnny foreigners need to be dealt with by the boot.

Sorry, but it is the Britons (Welsh, Cornish) who are the indigenous peoples of these British Isles, pushed to the further most regions by invaders, the Angles, Saxons and Jutes.

I think Babs was being ironic.

Cossy

Babs03

Sadly the far right have become emboldened by becoming mainstream politically after Brexit, and though the Tories have now gone Reform have representation in the HoC.
Is mainly in England because, just as Brexit was mainly voted for by the English, there is a history of colonisation by England and some still think that white Indigenous English people are way superior to anyone else and that those nasty Johnny foreigners need to be dealt with by the boot.
Am ashamed to call myself English when I see it.

I absolutely agree!

I absolutely don’t agree.
Let’s not start a riot on here tho.