Is intolerance getting worse on GN?

theworriedwell, that was some Reveal, at the end of your post.

Yes, Claremont, Brits living abroad sometimes consider themselves to be 'expats' not immigrants.

It's reassuring, Wyllow3, thanks, about the grandchildren. I had asked about it upthread.

So in the local Pakistani community I am seeing changes as the third and fourth generation biomes more and more integrated.
Good!

As an aside, referring to the Kray twins, there were two little boys featured on The Yorkshire Vet the other day called Ronnie and Reggie! Why, just why? 😯 (They were lovely little boys.)

Claremont Loughborough has a large number of white British people who used to work in the former traditional industries. It does not have a particularly high non-white British population.

My son-in-law's parents were immigrants (with brown skin). He has integrated completely, as have his siblings. His parents don't live in a "ghetto".

Well done to your son-in-law, growstuff.
My “brown skinned niece by marriage, in the same situation, integrated with her German and English families. The children speak all three languages.

Just as an aside I was chatting to a Pakistani Uber driver the other day and he said our ( Australian) health service was far worse than the Pakistani one because there they had no waiting to be admitted to hospitals for care. He said this was a supposed third world country as against Australia which is considered first world. Very interesting. Sometimes we assume we are better, clearly not so.

Maremia

theworriedwell, that was some Reveal, at the end of your post.

Yes, Claremont, Brits living abroad sometimes consider themselves to be 'expats' not immigrants.

It's reassuring, Wyllow3, thanks, about the grandchildren. I had asked about it upthread.

The one about my supervisor? She was a very kind woman, it was my first job and she was supportive. I found it sad as she would sit by herself and looked so lonely but maybe she was happy with it.

Nanna8 I have a young man in Zimbabwe I help through school, college and early adult life he’s now thankfully far far richer than me 🤣with a very thriving business but when he was ill and I was trying to give him ‘western world
knowledge’ !!! by the time I was making suggestions he had already been to the hospital and had all the tests I was wondering if they would have the equipment to give him
I think we all underestimate how good the medicine overseas can be
India indeed has some excellent hospitals

I can't stand this cancel culture where people should be banned because of their views. Rod Srewart might or might not support Reform, no big deal, but to some people, it would be a case of burning his CDs and trying to ban him from performing live as he might be a " fascist".
I also hate how the term " fascist" is bandied about by people on the left about people whose views are right of centre or who don't support things like diversity and unlimited immigration. Again if you support these things, it's your choice, but to suggest someone is a fascist for wanting less immigration is absurd. To me, a fascist would be someone like a member of the National Front or a supporter of Hitler or Mussolini from the last century.

I agree with you. I would be more afraid of people advocating banning others for their views than the so called right wing extremists who are mostly just people wanting a better life and who are largely disappointed with how they are being governed. Unfortunately the real right wing extremists are now able to hide under this blanket term.

growstuff

Claremont Loughborough has a large number of white British people who used to work in the former traditional industries. It does not have a particularly high non-white British population.

Yes, of course. Worked there long enough to know. What I said is that the Asian population of Loughborough is very different to the Asian groups is Leicester, where I also worked for a very long time, in a variety of schools.

growstuff

My son-in-law's parents were immigrants (with brown skin). He has integrated completely, as have his siblings. His parents don't live in a "ghetto".

From experience of friends and family members, people who worked in the factory where DH worked, it seems dependent upon where are they from, education and social class.

The same as with people everywhere whatever their ethnic origins or religion.

Having said that as the child of an Irish Catholic and an Ulster Protestant no one needs to explain to me how daft this sort of thing can be.
Goodness, theworriedwell

I remember wandering round some areas of Belfast with other students and being told to keep my mouth 🤐 because of my English accent. That was 1966!

Allira

Anyway, not sure what this has to do with Is intolerance getting worse on GN?!!

To even suggest that someone politely mentionning that their experience is different to another poster, is a symbol of this growing intolerance, is quite indicative of ... intolerance in the extreme.

Allira

Yes, we've lived in mixed areas in London and found that some people (mainly those from India and Ugandan Asians) wished to integrate, they were enterprising and ambitious, others stuck to their areas and did not. People from Pakistan tended to stick to their own areas and did not integrate even though they worked with others of different nationalities.
Strangely enough, the Indians and Ugandan Asians did not get on. Different religions perhaps? Different class? I never asked.

West Indians and Asians never got on when I worked amongst them. As you say, the class system is very evident too. People of a higher caste often look down on those of a lower class. Parents expect their offspring to marry someone from their caste or higher.

They are quite open about it and I had it explained to me many times.

Primrose53

Allira

Yes, we've lived in mixed areas in London and found that some people (mainly those from India and Ugandan Asians) wished to integrate, they were enterprising and ambitious, others stuck to their areas and did not. People from Pakistan tended to stick to their own areas and did not integrate even though they worked with others of different nationalities.
Strangely enough, the Indians and Ugandan Asians did not get on. Different religions perhaps? Different class? I never asked.

West Indians and Asians never got on when I worked amongst them. As you say, the class system is very evident too. People of a higher caste often look down on those of a lower class. Parents expect their offspring to marry someone from their caste or higher.

They are quite open about it and I had it explained to me many times.

No, not West Indians.
Although people of Indian heritage can be from the West Indies.
Blame Christopher Columbus!

People from India and Ugandan Asians who are of Indian heritage.

I think something bad happened to this country in the run up to the EU referendum. It hasn’t gone away and has filtered its way into just about everything. An Irish friend once told me that the English were the most tolerant people he had ever met ( and he’d worked throughout the world) but it isn’t like that now.

West Indians and Asians never got on

Really? All of them? People seem to get on just fine round about me and in various community settings.

KittyLester: "I don't really care who the 'some of you are' - what has happened to live and let live?"

Genocide

ICE

lafergar

*West Indians and Asians never got on*

Really? All of them? People seem to get on just fine round about me and in various community settings.

Well, our lovely new family member is West Indies Indian 😁
I didn't ask if the family gets on with the Afro-Caribbeans at home.

Caleo

KittyLester: "I don't really care who the 'some of you are' - what has happened to live and let live?"

Genocide

ICE

Are you saying that Customs and Immigration Officers commit genocide?

To even suggest that someone politely mentionning that their experience is different to another poster, is a symbol of this growing intolerance, is quite indicative of ... intolerance in the extreme

Really? "In the extreme"
I imagine there are many here who have experienced or witnessed a level of political even religious, sexual or racial intolerance to put a mild suggestion well and truly in the shade.

never mind, it's fun to bully other posters into submission.

RosieandherMaw

^To even suggest that someone politely mentionning that their experience is different to another poster, is a symbol of this growing intolerance, is quite indicative of ... intolerance in the extreme^

Really? "In the extreme"
I imagine there are many here who have experienced or witnessed a level of political even religious, sexual or racial intolerance to put a mild suggestion well and truly in the shade.

To even suggest that someone politely mentionning that their experience is different to another poster, is a symbol of this growing intolerance, is quite indicative of ... intolerance in the extreme


I'm confused!

lafergar

never mind, it's fun to bully other posters into submission.

I haven't seen anyone bullied into submission unless you mean bullied off Gransnet?