Is intolerance getting worse on GN?

lafergar

never mind, it's fun to bully other posters into submission.

I’m sorry you find that fun, lafergar.
I’ll be more aware that that’s your intention.

Bullying, sniping call it what you will.

Never mind.

Someone upthread asked about ICE and 'genocide'.
If ICE is targetting people because of their race, with the intention of having them transported to what could become death camps, for example the new one in Florida which has aleady been nicknamed 'Alligator Alcatraz', and if you then watch the videos of Trump on his visit there laughing about what could happen to escapees, then 'genocide' could eventually become the description, as the 'intent' to harm has been already demonstrated.

We need a 'sarcasm' emoti, or is there one already? Thinking about the interactions a couple of posts above.
Where what I took to be sarcasm, another poster took at face value.
Sometimes difficult to differentiate.

RosieandherMaw

^To even suggest that someone politely mentionning that their experience is different to another poster, is a symbol of this growing intolerance, is quite indicative of ... intolerance in the extreme^

Really? "In the extreme"
I imagine there are many here who have experienced or witnessed a level of political even religious, sexual or racial intolerance to put a mild suggestion well and truly in the shade.

Sarcasm exposing hypocrisy.

As I said upthread, IMO there is a lot more passive aggression on GN than overt aggression. Snide comments, nasty digs, point scoring - all of which can be denied if necessary, with an opportunity to accuse others of being oversensitive or making it all about them.

Ironically, it's very obvious when it happens, so doesn't really work as a 'covert' way of being unpleasant - people can see straight through it.

I don't know if the vague rules are responsible (ie that people think that disagreeing directly might be deemed a personal attack and therefore 'not in the spirit of GN') or if those using 'some people' and similar ways of having a dig think they are more subtle than they actually are. I prefer honesty, and giving people the chance to reply if someone has disagreed - that's what discussion is supposed to be about.

It is also a feature, that Posters dip in and out, other things taking priority in the offline world, and so responses can be muddled.

'Some people' is one of the most unpleasant forms of attack I think. It was used repeatedly on the gender discussions and always led to more conflict.

I reported a post of yours , Allira, for misrepresentation.

Allira

^Having said that as the child of an Irish Catholic and an Ulster Protestant no one needs to explain to me how daft this sort of thing can be^.
Goodness, theworriedwell

I remember wandering round some areas of Belfast with other students and being told to keep my mouth 🤐 because of my English accent. That was 1966!

Think of me as a 12 or 13 year old, English accent, Roman Catholic and staying with my orange relatives. Things I'd get wrong like "which football team do you support" and me naively saying I didn't like football.

Not to mention my devoted mother going off on an Ian Paisley match. Her bemused face when I said those people want your children's blood.

The Orange and the Green, theworriedwell.

"Claremont

kittylester

I live near Leicester and we are friends with people of all nationalities but there are large areas near the city where no integration is apparent and there are regular fights between different nationalities

And, I am sometimes shocked to see small children translating for their youngish parents.

Very common in Dordogneshire and parts of Spain.

In my experience, this never happened in Leicester but often in Loughborough (very poor Bengali families from Silhet)."

Interesting posts. Is there a sociological academic study concerning social integration?

Do you think the general rule with immigrants through the ages : is that when the immigrant community is seen to be efficient and prosperous the natives will emulate the immigrants and eventually integrate with the newcomers? And the reverse, that when the newcomers are seen to be poor and backward then the natives will resist them?

I can think of several historical examples, perhaps the most outstanding is the Roman invasion of Britain when Romanised Brits became normal Roman citizens.

Then again, missionary work in Africa (Christian and Muslim)served to introduce organised hospitals and schools so that the traditional ethnic bonds were somewhat reduced as the native peoples became more affluent.

PS I just Love "Dordogneshire" LOL

Caleo

I reported a post of yours , Allira, for misrepresentation.

Oh!! What did I say? What did I misrepresent?
😯

Allira

Caleo

KittyLester: "I don't really care who the 'some of you are' - what has happened to live and let live?"

Genocide

ICE

Are you saying that Customs and Immigration Officers commit genocide?

Sorry, was it this one?

ICE is Immigration and Customs unless I misunderstood what you meant about genocide.
If so, I apologise.

Caleo

"Claremont

kittylester

I live near Leicester and we are friends with people of all nationalities but there are large areas near the city where no integration is apparent and there are regular fights between different nationalities

And, I am sometimes shocked to see small children translating for their youngish parents.

Very common in Dordogneshire and parts of Spain.

In my experience, this never happened in Leicester but often in Loughborough (very poor Bengali families from Silhet)."

Interesting posts. Is there a sociological academic study concerning social integration?

Do you think the general rule with immigrants through the ages : is that when the immigrant community is seen to be efficient and prosperous the natives will emulate the immigrants and eventually integrate with the newcomers? And the reverse, that when the newcomers are seen to be poor and backward then the natives will resist them?

I can think of several historical examples, perhaps the most outstanding is the Roman invasion of Britain when Romanised Brits became normal Roman citizens.

Then again, missionary work in Africa (Christian and Muslim)served to introduce organised hospitals and schools so that the traditional ethnic bonds were somewhat reduced as the native peoples became more affluent.

Very interesting commet Caleo and I don't know if there are sociological studies about integration and education/'class', rich or poor.

I moved to Leicester the same year as the Ugandan Asians. It was truly interesting to watch. The move from rundown areas where they arrived and cleaned up, repaired restored, to the progessive move towards the affluent suburbs where most of them are now. Very large houses, big gates and colonial pillars. Judges, business men, doctors, surgeons and opticians, pharmacists, etc. Very well integrated, perfect English, as well as several other languages. A true success story. Same fr many from the Gujurat. Very successful children in schools often at the top of the class, and many privately educated in top schools.

In Loughborough, as said previously, mostly very poor illiterate families from Silhet, the poorest and most rural part of Bengal. Children struggled in school, no-one to help them at home, and often kept away as that had to look after younger sibblings whilst mum was working for a pittance in the hosiery industry. Lived in poor housing, crammed in as main room used for mum's work. Totally different to above groups.

I am so lucky to visit often and to be in regular touch with both ex colleagues and several of my students (two of them from my second school, in the 80s- it's lovely) who live there, in both towns. And same for DH, still in touch with colleagues and friends. Regualr visits both ways and big, interesting discussions always.

What people forget, too, is that many Indian restaurants are owned by people of Bangladeshi descent, many from the Silhet region.

theworriedwell

Allira

Having said that as the child of an Irish Catholic and an Ulster Protestant no one needs to explain to me how daft this sort of thing can be.
Goodness, theworriedwell

I remember wandering round some areas of Belfast with other students and being told to keep my mouth 🤐 because of my English accent. That was 1966!

Think of me as a 12 or 13 year old, English accent, Roman Catholic and staying with my orange relatives. Things I'd get wrong like "which football team do you support" and me naively saying I didn't like football.

Not to mention my devoted mother going off on an Ian Paisley match. Her bemused face when I said those people want your children's blood.

I remember one of our group, (mixed RC and Protestant) pointing out his house and saying "That man is going to cause more trouble than we've seen in a long time - just wait and see!"

Probably the most passive-agressive (or is it outwardly agressive), is receiving PMs with very personal information, never divulged on GN, which basically and cowardly mean 'watch it, I know who you are'.

Should that then be reported as harrassment?

When Cameron and Osborne set in motion "austerity" Cameron promised he would protect Surestart!

I would report that Claremont. I try not to report but that is something different.

Claremont

Probably the most passive-agressive (or is it outwardly agressive), is receiving PMs with very personal information, never divulged on GN, which basically and cowardly mean 'watch it, I know who you are'.

That is nasty and I hope it was reported. My pet passive aggressive bugbear is having an accusing statement directed at me with a question mark on the end. For example, You think that ............?. A little word like do is not hard to type.

I only ever PM when I’m agreeing with someone or asking for support.

What you mentioned @11.34, certainly warrants reporting. How unpleasant for you Claremont
Although I don’t understand how posters know anything about others to post or PM
with very personal information, never divulged on GN
unless they have previously been in close contact with each other and exchanged details.
Can someone explain?

Mollygo

I only ever PM when I’m agreeing with someone or asking for support.

What you mentioned @11.34, certainly warrants reporting. How unpleasant for you Claremont
Although I don’t understand how posters know anything about others to post or PM
with very personal information, never divulged on GN
unless they have previously been in close contact with each other and exchanged details.
Can someone explain?

I assume that Claremont means that the information is about the sender of the PM. No need for details to have been exchanged.

Or that the recipient has inadvertently disclosed something identifying which is being used against them.

Sorry if that's wide of the mark, Claremont, but as (for obvious reasons) you might not want to say more about your own situation I am offering an opinion.