Is intolerance getting worse on GN?

Kandinsky, last night before writing that I looked and searched all number of key words, as of course I wanted to be absolutely accurate. But the memory, just like Bluebelle says just above,

"When I first joined I was badly rebuked by a very popular poster.... who is now deceased, some will know who I am talking about I felt terrible and like a shy little first day at school girl"

The memory is burned into me and what it made me feel which was clearly I realised it was out of order to say "Get a life" I was afraid you would know it was me reporting you and you would come after me harder.

So you can’t find the thread? Is that what you’re saying?

To return to Rod Stewart - I think that singers and bands have carefully crafted public images, and they are important to their fan bases. I’ve never liked Rod’s - the attitude to women (some of his lyrics are shocking) and his arrogance annoy me, and I don’t identify with him in any way - but I can enjoy listening to his early music. Bob Dylan can’t sing, but I love his lyrics and his protest politics (no idea of his current views) so I overlook the lack of a singing voice. Michael Jackson’s behaviour was dreadful, but I do enjoy a bit of Rockin’ Robin. Punk bands were supported by rebellious teens, and finding out that a pogo-dancing spitting lead singer was a card-carrying member of the Young Conservatives would be career suicide . I used to love Billy Bragg, but can’t bear him since he allied himself to the trans movement in a way that was so dismissive of women.

I suppose it might come down to whether we are listening to a song about seduction (in which case, for me, knowing someone supported Enoch Powell in the past and now aligns with Farage puts me right off) or catchy pop songs with a child as front man, in which case I can detach from what came later. I just don’t believe Billy Bragg is sincere about solidarity any more, and find his ‘normal bloke’ image grating. Bruce Springsteen, on the other hand, puts his money where his mouth is - totally different kettle of fish.

Image does matter, I think, and unless a band/singer is overtly political they are better off keeping those opinions to themselves.

Spinnaker, yes I was. Sorry for the confusion.

So from memory - you’re basically accusing me of scaring you for life and making you frightened & scared.
You’ve posted my name all over this thread and made serious allegations against me without any solid evidence.

I’m going to have to report every single one of your posts where you’ve made allegations against me.

kittylester

*Spinnaker*, yes I was. Sorry for the confusion.

No problemkittylester

I think with any creative or artistic well known people it’s often better not to know too much about their personal life if you like their music or art for example.
Once you know something about them, if they are open about it and even boastful then it’s hard to ignore and is off putting.
I don’t include their politics in that, it would have to be something really repugnant.

Kandinsky I think you have every reason to be angry.Let the moderators sort it out.

Bad timing - my waffle about singers was not intended to minimise people’s experiences at all.

Of course we all react when people are ‘mean’ to us (difficult to find the right word there). I reacted to being called ‘uppity’ and cast as someone over-reacting to posts that actually made the papers, particularly as the person saying so is doubly anonymous- we don’t know who she was on the original thread, but clearly the group who she says were ‘not pleased with me’ do. I paraphrase but that was the gist.

We are all human, and we don’t know what’s going on in one another’s lives at any given time. That applies to people taking offence at comments, but often to those making them too. We can all be snippy if we’ve had a bad day or are upset by something, and sometimes things just come over badly.

I never want to cause hurt, but probably have done, for all the reasons above. I doubt many regular posters can be sure that they haven’t upset anyone either.

Absolutely - she’s totally out of order.
left it all with HQ.

Kandinsky

So you can’t find the thread? Is that what you’re saying?

Like I said, I tried and tried with all the key words I could, even finding a likely one and checking all the way through.

I felt unable to do, what as a Quaker I believe in so strongly, "speak truth to Power"

But out of respect as I said above I have reported myself since I can of course see on reflection it was unwise if it could not be proved. I just ask posters who know me to judge if I'm the sort to lie about something like this

It really really did get to me you know.

Well this thread suggests to me that recollections do indeed vary, as do reasons for taking offence and pressing report buttons.
What a lot of irritation over not a lot —. in my opinion

Oreo

I think with any creative or artistic well known people it’s often better not to know too much about their personal life if you like their music or art for example.
Once you know something about them, if they are open about it and even boastful then it’s hard to ignore and is off putting.
I don’t include their politics in that, it would have to be something really repugnant.

Some politics are repugnant though. Rod Stewart is on record as saying really racist things, as is Eric Clapton. It’s not just ‘it was the 70s’ (I do think we should make some allowances for people behaving in line with the times) but I draw the line at racism. I agree that unless the image is constructed around a political view (eg Springsteen, Dylan etc) it’s best not to know. People criticise Taylor Swift for not leaking her political views, but I think she (or her advisors) is wise. It’s not what she’s about.

Doodledog
Not a good look to bring up old grudges on threads and ATAAT isn’t going to last long.

Kandinsky

Absolutely - she’s totally out of order.
left it all with HQ.

That’s best 😃

Perhaps people don't always feel too well, maybe they are going through a rough patch. We don't really know do we? It's just a name on a screen.

It's not helping anybody this is it?

I think Bluebelle's post illustrates that it possible get over things and move on.

Discretion is, often, the better part of valour.

This is between two posters so best to keep out of it.

I admire the work of Caravaggio and have to screen out what he did when not actually painting.Wagners music is splendid but requires more screening out.
It’s a difficult one but generally speaking you can admire the creativity whilst disliking the politics or whatever else in the life of the artist.

I reacted to being called ‘uppity'
FGS, I publically apologised to you and everyone on here, Doodledog and tried to make up. Perhaps you don't recall that either? Conveniently.

What a lot of irritation over not a lot —. in my opinion. Well said, Iam64. It's probably the heat, and I count myself in this too!

GNs in reference to the OP, would you class a targetted 'pile on' as being intolerant? Just asking, as a point of information.

lafergar

Perhaps people don't always feel too well, maybe they are going through a rough patch. We don't really know do we? It's just a name on a screen.

It's not helping anybody this is it?

👍

Of course if the musicians ( I use the term very, very loosely) are shouting hateful slogans from a stage in front of thousands and being recorded live by the BBC then it’s easy to dislike them for their views.

I struggle with separating the art from its creator if they’ve behaved really badly. I don’t care about Rod Stewart’s politics. He’s done some good stuff for charities. His music isn’t something I’d ask Alexa to play but I can sing along if it’s on my car radio.
Gill, who created beautiful church pews and so on, sexually abused his children. I can’t admire nor would I seek out his work.

I quite enjoyed the waffling about singers, Billy Bragg is deeply unpleasant, I may be shallow but it always makes me happy when he is criticised.
Someone asked if the moderators let you know if you have been reported, all I know is they used to. I have been reported twice, once for calling a male poster a misogynist and once for repeating a deleted post. HQ told me in quite a lot of detail why I had been deleted with regard to the male poster. They were right it was of course a personal attack but I certainly didn't regret it.