Trump said: “On immigration you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore.”

Claremont you have said that you and your husband came to the UK through legal routes and worked.

We are not discussing regular migration/immigration which occurs worldwide, we are discussing irregular migration.

Irregular migration, mostly young men, with absolutely no documentation, which makes it difficult for the HO to find out who exactly they are and where they are from.

Two totally different things, not to be confused or conflated.

I'm amused to see that Mr Trump is looking at the sources of pharmaceuticals, bearing in mind his promises to bring down the cost to consumers by
" 1000%, 1200% and numbers you've never heard of ..."(!)
He's going to have to look quite a long time for a place to source such products at that kind of price.

And now Starmer will have the lucky task of talking to him about Gaza.

Claremont

FriedGreenTomatoes2

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Sorry I have no idea what you mean StripeyGran.
Have I offended you in some way?

As an immigrant, married to another immigrant, with immigrant family and friends- who have all massively contributed to the UK in one way or another- I am afraid that yes, your views on immigration do offend me FGT2, very much so.

I think you know that the normal and legal method of immigration is a far flung thing from 24,000 in the last six months alone arriving undocumented on rubber boats.
If you don’t then you certainly should.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont you have said that you and your husband came to the UK through legal routes and worked.

We are not discussing regular migration/immigration which occurs worldwide, we are discussing irregular migration.

Irregular migration, mostly young men, with absolutely no documentation, which makes it difficult for the HO to find out who exactly they are and where they are from.

Two totally different things, not to be confused or conflated.

Two totally different things, not to be confused or conflated.

This keeps being conflated, unfortunately, with no benefit at all to sensible debate.

A wee reminder would be appreciated, by me, of the legal ways now in place by which people may claim asylum.
Thanks in advance.

Claremont wasn’t talking of claiming asylum.

There are none. When I came to work on a short visa in 1970- I had to leave when it came to an end. We decided to marry since that was the only way we could be together legally. I then had a terrible car crash, 7.5 months in hospital and then 1 month to learn to walk, first on crutches, then on sticks. We got married in hospital, abroad, and I joined DH a couple of months later- still severely handicapped, needing a further operation, and unable to work due to the above. I did go on to get a Uni Degree as a mature student when our youngest child started school, and worked very hard for State Edu all my life- and OH in his career too. Nowadays, I would not be able to join my husband, as he would not be earning (at the time) a high enough salary to bring his foreign wife! There would be not legal way for us to be together in the UK. NONE.

Especially as he discovered, by chance! just after we married, that he was not actually British!!! He was 2 when his parents moved to UK, and his parents never did the necessary for him to be registered British when SA was kicked out of te Commonwealth due to Apartheid.

Oreo

Claremont wasn’t talking of claiming asylum.

Posts crossed. There is NO way I could have come legally- as I was not able to work and OH had a very low salary- and found out he was not British.

Now he got British nationality very quickly as he could prove how and when he came and where he went to school and Uni. Possibly also because he happens to be white (unlike many in his very mixed family). But there is NO wy I could have come legally in the current situation.

Then you could have had a very happy life together in your home country.
In any case your circumstances and the situation with all the migrants coming over from France are a world apart.

Maremia

We are all immigrants. Just came over in different times, in different boats.

That keeps being repeated.
What happened tens of thousands of years ago is totally irrelevant to the present day.

More recently, some of my immigrant relatives came over on planes, legally. They work for the NHS as did many other people.
Other relatives emigrated by legal routes - by boat and plane.

Some people I know arrived as welcome refugees and are having to jump through hoops to be able to stay, despite working legally, marrying British citizens and having British children.

But you don't know their stories Oreo.

Yes Allira, possibly by me. It's just the use of 'immigrants' as a derogatory term, that I find unpleasant.
If there is no good safe route by which to claim asylum there will be no way to 'stop the boats'.
Speeding up the assessment process would be a better way of clearing the log-jam

Oreo

Then you could have had a very happy life together in your home country.
In any case your circumstances and the situation with all the migrants coming over from France are a world apart.

hmm no it would have been extremely difficult, for all sorts of reasons, mainly that my DH would not have been able to continue with his career for a long time and lost all the hard work he'd put in. Why should he have done?

And this is the most awful comment I've had all my life, and always made me cringe with embarrassment 'oh, but we don't mean you! Always made me feel sick.

I moved to Leicester the same year as the Ugandan Asians- and was told this so many times. And they became extremely successful and massive contributors to the town and region.

DH's family arrived on a boat in 1948, same year as those on the Windrush, and without a bean. After a period of adjustment, all contributed massively to the country, because they were allowed to, and they thrived.

When I came to work on a short visa in 1970- I had to leave when it came to an end.

People from European countries were able to come to the UK to work freely apart from during a period from the mid-1960s to early 1970s. You must have been caught in that particular time.

The laws have constantly been changed over years re immigration, with the Commonwealth, with Europe and other countries.

The Ugandan Asians were refugees, many with British passports.

If there is no good safe route by which to claim asylum there will be no way to 'stop the boats'.
Simplistically there is a way to stop the boats and put them out of business. Just bring the migrants into the UK by buses through the Channel, if they're going to come anyway.
House them in those container boxes,(perfectly habitable), and put them to work immediately in a controlled environment (building sites, farms) whilst processing them.
Send back any who fail the procedure, commit a crime or who aren't up to the job.

Maremia

A wee reminder would be appreciated, by me, of the legal ways now in place by which people may claim asylum.
Thanks in advance.

Finding all that information clearly laid out from UK Govt is perfectly straightforward. Just google.

You will have to open the link for yourself, to read it.

<https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum>

I just googled and EU countries operate the same asylum/refugee policy, you have to be in the country to claim asylum.

Claremont

Oreo

Claremont wasn’t talking of claiming asylum.

Posts crossed. There is NO way I could have come legally- as I was not able to work and OH had a very low salary- and found out he was not British.

Now he got British nationality very quickly as he could prove how and when he came and where he went to school and Uni. Possibly also because he happens to be white (unlike many in his very mixed family). But there is NO wy I could have come legally in the current situation.

Many 1,000’s of people apply to come and work here in the U.K. (last figures I could find 222,349 work visas were issued by the U.K. Government in 2022)

Coming to the U.K. to work on the appropriate visa cannot and should not be compared to people arriving here illegally.

(which is the correct term if they haven’t got the appropriate travel documentation, and remain illegal until such time they claim asylum with a HO representative)

Until such time they claim asylum, they are illegal/irregular entrants, not my words, but the legal definition.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont you have said that you and your husband came to the UK through legal routes and worked.

We are not discussing regular migration/immigration which occurs worldwide, we are discussing irregular migration.

Irregular migration, mostly young men, with absolutely no documentation, which makes it difficult for the HO to find out who exactly they are and where they are from.

Two totally different things, not to be confused or conflated.

Hear hear.

Appears it still needs to be said.
What a shame.

Until such time they claim asylum, they are illegal/irregular entrants, not my words, but the legal definition.

Correct, but most claim asylum and are given an initial screening very soon after they arrive, at which point they become legal asylum seekers.

People who claim that those housed in hotels (or anywhere else) are illegal are wrong.

growstuff

*Until such time they claim asylum, they are illegal/irregular entrants, not my words, but the legal definition.*

Correct, but most claim asylum and are given an initial screening very soon after they arrive, at which point they become legal asylum seekers.

People who claim that those housed in hotels (or anywhere else) are illegal are wrong.

Those houses by the Government are being processed.

I doubt very much that the growing number of young men, living in tents under bypasses or woods have presented to HO officials, happy to be corrected.

There is an underbelly industry exploiting those here illegally, this needs to be a priority for the powers that bit.

The occasional raid on a takeaway, are really shop, nail parlour or car wash is ok at the time, but a few weeks later they are open again with new workers

Trading in humans and on their fears and misery is abhorrent on every level.