House keeping

Desdemona

David49

£60 a week is cheap if they dont like it find somewhere else, unless there is some reason that you want to transfer money to them.
Dont forget to declare the rent on your tax return!

Patronising or what.

If they were saving money to pay a deposit that’s a good reason not to charge them anything, if they are spending it on socializing they move out

If that's patronizing so be it.

David49

Desdemona

David49

£60 a week is cheap if they dont like it find somewhere else, unless there is some reason that you want to transfer money to them.
Dont forget to declare the rent on your tax return!

Patronising or what.

If they were saving money to pay a deposit that’s a good reason not to charge them anything, if they are spending it on socializing they move out

If that's patronizing so be it.

That part is very sound advice.

Yes they did .my son and his wife. There mum and dad have 8 children

That's a lot of children to have!

So I can see their house is too small for the size of family they chose to have - unless it's a mini-mansion.

That does rather raise the question of whether their parents will turf out another couple of children as they, in turn, get older. But that isn't your problem - just a thing to be aware of.

Still doesn't solve the problem of dealing with the two they've turfed out so far - as they do need to pay their way. You also need to have a word with their parents about not expecting you to deal with the problem they've caused by having all those children. Plus the worry - if they're young enough - as to whether they might have even more children they havent got room for (hopefully not - if their eldest is 27).

Where are you Nan15?

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Re tax, IIRC you can earn £7500 p.a. from lodgers, without incurring tax.
At least that was the case a few years ago when dd and SiL had one to help with the mortgage.

But re the OP, of course they should be paying! £60 is peanuts by today’s standards. I dare say it’ll be difficult, but you do need to get tough. Maybe point out how little you are asking compared to what they’d have to pay even for a grotty room in a grotty house or flat share. .

I am concerned that you are being taken advantage of, however I’d be the first to allow my home to be open to my own. But please don’t be taken advantage of.

Nan15

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I'm guessing exdancer's question is so that you can get an idea what privately rented housing goes for in your area - ie is it a cheap one or a dear one.

So - I took a very quick peek somewhere - and chose Liverpool to see what came up.

eg
1 room apartment 944 square metres) £433 per month
1 room apartment £124 (much less - but its really only a bedsit - as it's 13 square metres)
2 room house (53 square metres) = £520 per month.

Obviously too the size of the place will give some sort of clue about transport costs - eg a fairly small place = they could walk everywhere, but a bigger one means transport costs of some description.

Whoops - this unable to correct typing error thing again on here. It's 44 square metres for £433 per month.

V3ra

*Dont forget to declare the rent on your tax return!*

£60 a week is hardly taxable profit!
Take all the expenses into account and Nan15 is probably making a loss ☹️

You are allowed £7500 a year income from renting furnished accommodation in your home before tax is applied.

Sorry Witzend has already pointed out how much tax free income you are allowed from renting rooms in your house. I should have read the whole thread instead of just part of it.

Give them a month to pay the arrears. If they do not send them back home. By doing what they are doing they are stealing from you and battening on you like young criminals.

M0nica

Give them a month to pay the arrears. If they do not send them back home. By doing what they are doing they are stealing from you and battening on you like young criminals.

LOL - as I thought I was being pretty "straightforward" in my response. M0nica has beaten me on that one hands down....

But they are certainly being more than a little thoughtless - and I'd be willing to bet they don't do their share of the housework either. Chances are they are taking no account of what level of income you are on (even if it's State Pension only - in which case you definitely cannot afford to subsidise someone else) or your age might mean your health/energy aren't what they were to do their housework for them, as well as your own share of the housework.

Hope you get this resolved okay and you come back to us and either say "They're paying their way and doing their share and have paid what they owe" or "They've gone - that's the end of that". I still think you're probably lined-up in your family's minds to take on the next two downwards in age come a year or two's time if you don't put your foot down now and have a serious conversation along the lines of "You were the ones that chose to have all those children - didnt you think ahead to the future?".

Not at all. They are a bit cheeky!

I just wonder why they both suddenly stopped paying>. Presumably they got together and had some sort of discussion. They are definitely taking a huge liberty and relying on you not saying anything and just putting up with this.
Straight talking is needed however difficult this might be for you. I would ask them why they stopped paying, and then tell them you can't afford to keep providing free board and lodging so either they move back to their parents, find another place to live or start paying again. I would add that because of the months you have had to manage without payments then they have to pay more until the arrears have been repaid and tell them clearly how much you expect extra for how ever many weeks is appropriate. If they don't agree then it's time to give them notice to leave and I would also inform their parents.

Good post knspol

Charge them £500 a month each or kick them out. You are teaching them to regard you as a pushover. You’re doing them no favours by allowing them to financially abuse you. They are entitled parasites who must pay up or leave. Don’t be a doormat!

Some really good advice here. All I can add is this and no disrespect to you if I'm going down the wrong road but if you are at all worried about having the conversation with these 2 leeches, is their a trusted friend who can be with you so you who would also bear witness to what was discussed eg the notice period given to leave if they still don't pay their way (and the arrears) Please let us know the outcome - fingers crossed for you that it goes well

Course they should pay, their adults, time they acted like it
If they don’t I’d ask them to leave … what a cheek

Tell them to leave a.s.a.p they are taking you for a mug. £60.00 a week is ridiculous, they wouldn't get a room for one night in an hotel or airBB for that.

You are not being unreasonable. They agreed your very fair request and they must therefore stick by it.

They are taking you for a ride love

Order a full family meeting with you, their parents and both of the asap to discuss what has happened

First of all discuss the amount of rent they have not paid. Must be nearly ,£7,000 for the 2 of them

And how this should be paid off.

A lump sum and ground rules for future rent payments.

Every week on Monday or they are out the next day. Give them a receipt and get legal advice on their status. Lodgers etc.

To be honest l would show the pair of them the door. They are adults and old enough to look after themselves.

Plus you will probably better of financially.

Good luck.
X

You are being financially abused ! IRL knowing your situation Id be.involving the Elderly safeguarding team

WithNobsOnIt

They are taking you for a ride love

Order a full family meeting with you, their parents and both of the asap to discuss what has happened

First of all discuss the amount of rent they have not paid. Must be nearly ,£7,000 for the 2 of them

And how this should be paid off.

A lump sum and ground rules for future rent payments.

Every week on Monday or they are out the next day. Give them a receipt and get legal advice on their status. Lodgers etc.

To be honest l would show the pair of them the door. They are adults and old enough to look after themselves.

Plus you will probably better of financially.

Good luck.
X

I get the gist of why you're thinking "full family meeting" - but I suspect that would not be a good idea. Those parents of theirs might well pile in - on their side - and, in fact, I suspect they would.

I agree with the other poster of making sure OP has a friend of hers with her when she reads the Riot Act to these two grandchildren. Help to strengthen her will and show these two that she has moral support with her. Lots of people look to override a "woman on her own" - it's usually bad neighbours that do that....but in this case = it's bad relatives.

I agree with the other poster that thinks it's not coincidence they've both stopped paying at once - yep...they've ganged up with each other by the look of it.

In OP's position I'd give them a week to take positive action on this all told - eg plan to pay off their arrears and agreement to paying more in future than £60 each. After that - the locks would be changed. I know they're grandchildren and the "blood is thicker than water" - but sounds like they still need "training" in being responsible adults generally for the sake of wider Society.