Goodbye Duke & Duchess of York.

LovesBach

Smileless2012

SF I think would only have lost her title if either of them had re married LovesBach.

Thank you - 'didn't know that.

I think after their divorce she would have remained Sarah, Duchess of York unless she remarried. Andrew's wife would be The Duchess of York.
But not now.
Also Diana, Princess of Wales after divorce.

I think you mean Duchess of York., Merlotgran.
No-one would want to be Duchess of Sussex.

merlotgran

Fergie has been clinging on to Andrew for years because being Duchess of Sussex means everything to her.
She’s up the creek without a paddle now.

Slip of the ‘pen’ Merlotgran?

Don’t think you intended to bring Meghan into the debate!

She gets herself into enough bother as it is!

ixion

Will he continue to be a Counsellor of State?

Apparently he will but the Government has stated that any non working Royals will never be called upon. So that includes Harry.
I think the best thing that Andrew and Fergie could do now would be to discretely disappear and live somewhere abroad. Eventually everyone would lose interest in them provided they kept their noses clean but are they capable of doing that? Doubt it!

At least they won't be writing nasty exposés about life with the royal family unlike some...

I think a lot has been made of not so very much.
Virginia Guiffré was 16 or 17 at the time of her association with Andrew which isn't really what the term under age implies.

King Charles could and should surely rise above it. No reason why he should be implicated.

Looking to the future as everyone says, the impression is that the prince of Wales seems to have driven out first his brother and now his uncle. Not good.

merlotgran
Fergie has been clinging on to Andrew for years because being Duchess of Sussex means everything to her.

She’s up the creek without a paddle now.

Sorry. Of course I meant Duchess of York.

You seriously can't believe what you wrote that post winterwhite!!

No, it has to be a joke, but not a funny one.

I'm sure there was much more to it than that winterwhite. There will have been umpteen meetings with lawyers and government people before he was offered the chance to give the titles up before they were taken from him.

Allira have you switched off PMs? Or is it just me.

winterwhite

I think a lot has been made of not so very much.
Virginia Guiffré was 16 or 17 at the time of her association with Andrew which isn't really what the term under age implies.

King Charles could and should surely rise above it. No reason why he should be implicated.

Looking to the future as everyone says, the impression is that the prince of Wales seems to have driven out first his brother and now his uncle. Not good.

You can’t have done your homework then winterwhite. Some of the abused girls were 14. The fact the Virginia Giuffre is the one photographed and who came forward first does not mean she was the only one - the full picture is likely to be much grimmer than what we know so far.

Aveline

Allira have you switched off PMs? Or is it just me.

No, it's strange, other posters have said that too.

Can you try again, Aveline?

Isn't a Prince better than a Duke ?
Insofar as one can know at all therefore like/dislike anyone who is basically a celebrity , I never liked Andrew but only because I understood that he was horrible to his staff , which I found unforgiveable.
What a shame he ( or indeed anyone) got involved with this hideous, sordid couple of Epstein(and Maxwell).
I have never minded Sarah too much because she has never, to my knowledge, said an unkind or disloyal word about her ex-husband and surely that should count for something.
What are they all going to do about Maxwell ?
They can't kill her now she is out of the tough jail , it would look too suspicious .
I suppose they'll have to make it worth her while to keep quiet.
Actually I'm astonished that she's still alive.

winterwhite

I think a lot has been made of not so very much.
Virginia Guiffré was 16 or 17 at the time of her association with Andrew which isn't really what the term under age implies.

King Charles could and should surely rise above it. No reason why he should be implicated.

Looking to the future as everyone says, the impression is that the prince of Wales seems to have driven out first his brother and now his uncle. Not good.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something here I must say I'm quite shocked to read your post winterwhite.

The whole sorry tale of Epstein, Maxwell and their happy crew of "distinguished" friends has never been about under age girls - I can't imagine how people can think it is.

Procuring, misleading and traficking vulnerable girls for sexual activities and sexual abuse on an almost industrial scale is a world away from sexual activity with an under age girl. These are serious criminal offences.

I'm surprised that with such extensive press coverage over several years that it has been so wildly misinterpreted and misunderstood.

Aveline

At least they won't be writing nasty exposés about life with the royal family unlike some...
Wouldn’t bank on it. They will have to maintain their lifestyle somehow!

Smileless2012

He's done the right thing.

Yes and about time too!!

Labradora

Isn't a Prince better than a Duke ?
Insofar as one can know at all therefore like/dislike anyone who is basically a celebrity , I never liked Andrew but only because I understood that he was horrible to his staff , which I found unforgiveable.
What a shame he ( or indeed anyone) got involved with this hideous, sordid couple of Epstein(and Maxwell).
I have never minded Sarah too much because she has never, to my knowledge, said an unkind or disloyal word about her ex-husband and surely that should count for something.
What are they all going to do about Maxwell ?
They can't kill her now she is out of the tough jail , it would look too suspicious .
I suppose they'll have to make it worth her while to keep quiet.
Actually I'm astonished that she's still alive.

I don't think standing by your husband when he is having sex with a trafficked, vulnerable young woman something a wife should be commended for.
The lies Sarah has told over the years are second to none.
She neither treated her staff well, nor always paid them.
Who murdered Epstein.

Who is going to spill the beans about Lord Porchester? He has had a few menshies upthread.

Labradora
She’s hardly going to bite the hand that feeds her, is she 🤷‍♀️
The only personal money she’s ever had is what she’s ponced or conned off other people who thought there might be something in it for them ( and I don’t mean rumpy pumpy ) 😂

Yes, eazybee, time to hear about the other 'alleged' sex offenders. But the White House is putting up a very successful stonewalling exercise.

Maremia

Who is going to spill the beans about Lord Porchester? He has had a few menshies upthread.

I think he goes in the same conspiracy theory box as James Hewitt.

it's sad that Virginia Guiffre' is not alive to promote her book!

Prince Andrew could not be allowed alongside William and other royals as he was at the Duchess of Kents funeral again!

lemsip

it's sad that Virginia Guiffre' is not alive to promote her book!

Prince Andrew could not be allowed alongside William and other royals as he was at the Duchess of Kents funeral again!

I think there's a a difference between being banished from your role as a Royal and everything that comes with it, and being banished from your family.

The Duchess of Kent's funeral was private but of course attracted press attention. So it was a family occasion. It woudn't surprise me if the Duke and Duchess of Sussex received an invitation. This is a family that follows etiquette to the "nth" degree.

Having said that, the photos of Prince Andrew and his ex wife laughing and joking on the steps of Westminster Cathedral were very telling, as were those of the Prince of Wales' uncomfortable stance next to them.

I'm sure many would like to banish him from the family, but I suppose there is always some element of familial regard that must be difficult to handle.

His total inability to read the room together with a misplaced sense of entitlement has finally come home to roost.

Lord Porchester was the late Queen racing manager, many many photographs of them together at the races, they both loved horse racing, the press decided they were having an affair, they had a long life friendship, their families had been friends too, the press suddenly became gutter press

petra

Labradora
She’s hardly going to bite the hand that feeds her, is she 🤷‍♀️
The only personal money she’s ever had is what she’s ponced or conned off other people who thought there might be something in it for them ( and I don’t mean rumpy pumpy ) 😂

Its a point of view, Petra , but I thought also they that they were both focussed on supporting their daughters successfully which they seem to have done.
I thought therefore that there was some respect between them beyond just Andrew paying the bills.
Who knows.