Epstein, so sick of it everywhere.

Netherbyg84 Could somebody please tell me why the women who allegedly had sexual relations with the former Duke, met him of their own free will as consenting adults?
My post was mainly intended in response to your question, illustrated by anecdotal evidence, to show that not all women are coerced into sexual activities but are capable of choice. (Please note women; I am not referring to girls.)The point was made elsewhere:^it makes women out to be stupid and incapable of looking out for themselves^ ..... referring to the 26 year old who was apparently offered to Andrew by Epstein.
CoolCoco: rather unpleasant and unbalanced remarks:
anti women, victim blaming, raped women 'asking for it.' Some women are in a position to make a choice; that does not mean that the great bulk of prostitution is not nasty and sordid, or that any woman who is raped is 'asking for it.'
As for Allira, I do not think you are stupid, just that sometimes you are too quick to take offence if people express opinions that do not coincide with yours. But I don't take it personally, so no harm done.

Sadly, there is no spectacle quite as ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodic fits of morality.

There is a spectacle more dangerous though. The British public burying its head in the sand and refusing to face up to the awful truth.

Sago
I've not seen anything linking Obama to this.
Have you ? Where ?
You're not getting mixed up with an Israeli former ?PM who has a similar name...
He has been mentioned.

keepingquiet

sixandahalf

I avoid dwelling on matters that I have little or no influence

Necessary in order to function really. It's profoundly sad and depressing, as is what's served up to us by way of "entertainment"

Who says it's 'entertainment?'

Of course nothing to do with this is entertaining.

The news is profoundly sad and depressing and what serves as entertainment seems similar.

Best to keep away from both.

Burying your head in the sand doesn't make things go away.

welbeck

Sago
I've not seen anything linking Obama to this.
Have you ? Where ?
You're not getting mixed up with an Israeli former ?PM who has a similar name...
He has been mentioned.

Me neither.

Could be libellous. Perhaps withdraw the post?

‘I was referring to the fact that during their presidencies they probably kept a lid on a lot of what was being dripped out.
On behalf of other prominent figures.

sixandahalf

This ghastly person and his gang seem to be everywhere in the news.
It's utterly depressing.

The fact that those involved are ghastly and having it all in the news is depressing. I believe it should be in the news. The people involved are either big players on the international political game or are seen as people of standing and esteem.

I never had a very high opinion of those 2 people previously known as the Duke and Duchess of York, but the revelation of the full extent of the Duchesses expenditure and the lengths she would go to solicit cash to support a life style, she could not afford and the extent that both she and her husband have lied and lied and lied about their association with Epstein has come as a shock. The King's recent draconian reaction of stripping them both of any titles and sending him to live in Siberia Sandringham now makes sense.

We always knew that Peter Mandelson was a slithy tove, but Epsteins papers show just what a duplicitous slime ball he really is. Hopefully this will put paid to any more plum government (or private) appointments.

We need to know how one dishonest and disgusting person can
use money to buy and enslave so many people in public life and give himself a hold of them that can be damaging to indivdual countries, companies and individuals.

If it means that for a while that is all the media talk about. This case is a dreadful warning about how one, almost irrelevant person can hold power in one hand by his ability to buy people through money and potential blackmail.

I think public funding needs to be cut to the royal family
They have enough wealth
Cut it and spend it on vulnerable people
Level it out ffs

Allira, I would like to know if the women,( not the underage girls) ,were paid by Epstein or other men. Or was it just flattery because the men were rich b…..? Am I being naive?

Sago

‘I was referring to the fact that during their presidencies they probably kept a lid on a lot of what was being dripped out.
On behalf of other prominent figures.

I don’t think bracketing Obama and Trump together helped that argument though Sago, because Trump did have personal involvement, he was mentioned over 1000 times in the documents apparently, Obama not at all.

JPB123

Allira, I would like to know if the women,( not the underage girls) ,were paid by Epstein or other men. Or was it just flattery because the men were rich b…..? Am I being naive?

From everything I have read many of the women were paid. Ghislaine Maxwell was certainly supported financially by Epstein. I doubt anyof them were on any formal payroll'

Many, if not all of the women described by eazybee’s taxi driver will have similar histories to the girls groomed and trafficked by Epstein. Introduced to sexual activity far too young, usually by an adult male known to them / their family.

I appreciated Allira’s comment, that her children went to state schools, thus avoiding their mother having to prostitute herself to pay school fees.

Monica is imo right about the dreadful Mandelson. The sleaze says he’s no memory of thousands of pounds paid into his bank account by Epstein on three separate occasions, soon after Epstein’s release from the prison sentence for offences against a 14 year old girl.

Yes I’m sure the women and girls were paid by Epstein, that doesn’t diminish his responsibility for trafficking exploiting and abusing them

The girls in Rochdale and other towns and cities were 'paid'. In drugs, alcohol, takeaways and sweets.

That probably represented a larger percentage of the abusers' income than whatever payoffs were given to the women and girls on Epstein's island. I can't see a moral difference.

We'll find out the details if and when whoever is sitting on the files releases them.

According the Epstein indictment notice I posted above, the girls were paid in cash. I guess that would figure, he would not put them on a payroll unless they were part of the official machinery of his business. The way I understand it, most were brought in for short periods, not on a long term basis. It doesn’t bear thinking about.

JaneJudge

I think public funding needs to be cut to the royal family
They have enough wealth
Cut it and spend it on vulnerable people
Level it out ffs

Separate issue, JaneJudge.
We pay the Monarch for the job thry do, which is Head of State. Preferable to President, looking at some of the examples on here.

slithy tove M0nica 😁

Actually, being more serious, Mandelson apparently didn't realise that Epstein had paid $75,000 into his bank account.

Only the filthy rich might fail to notice that.

It wasn't just sex that gathered so many wealthy men around Epstein, it was the opportunity to network with political figures and influence government policies

This, from Bluesky giving the gist of a story in the Financial Times

Ian Fraser ‪@ianfraser.bsky.social‬

As business secretary Peter Mandelson conspired with leading US bank to end tax on bankers' bonuses. He told Epstein that JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon should “threaten” chancellor Alistair Darling over the tax. A year later, Mandy was seeking work with JPMorgan. Top journalism by @pickardje.bsky.social

Mandelson was not only relaxed about people becoming filthy rich, he was aiding them against the interests of the UK.

For anyone who subscribes to the FT:
www.ft.com/content/91e8142a-3d4c-4222-a5ad-6548fc9907d1

He s resigned from the labour party.

It's like a spider's web.

Galaxy

He s resigned from the labour party.

He needs to jack in his peerage, too.

My husband’s Aunt was employed in London ( not sure in what capacity) and was once ‘sent’ to a house - the front door of which was opened by Prince Philip - stark naked - none of these salacious shenanigans is new - but we must stop kowtowing to these entitled miscreants 👍☘️

Allira

It's like a spider's web.

It’s a spiders web of very rich men who have no interest in the country’s that nurtured them and enabled them to either become wealthy or retain and increase their wealth. All they are interested in is wealth and the power to influence governments to their benefit.
There are a lot of dealings with Russia and Russian oligarchs in those papers.

Apologies for the rogue apostrophe. It should be ‘countries’, not ‘country’s’ 🫢

Allira

It's like a spider's web.

This is why we have to keep talking about it IMO. It needs to be unraveled.