From the Palace to Government…

fancythat

^As Bagsseti has actually worked in Parliament for an MP I think we can take what she says to be reasonable^

Since I have never personally noticed that poster before, err sadly no.
She could be anyone[to me].

I joined GN a few weeks ago. I’m 61, mum of two, granny to one 5 year old. I’m a real person and yes, I did work for a London Labour MP, albeit many years ago. I’m not a particularly political animal, did the job because it was interesting and we did make a positive difference to the lives of some constituents.

As with all corruption it will end when those people who say they are innocently caught up in the vortex of these crimes “grow a pair” and tell the truth and face the consequences.
Like the victims did. Name names.

As Bagsseti has actually worked in Parliament for an MP I think we can take what she says to be reasonable

Since I have never personally noticed that poster before, err sadly no.
She could be anyone[to me].

fancythat

^I have no doubt that most MPs are honest, faithful and reliable and work hard at their jobs.^

I dont!

I used to think that, but there are far too many scandals for me to think that any longer.

I personally think more scrutiny and attention needs to be given to the selection process of each Party.
if things go "wrong" there, then the electorate has a miserable selection of people from whom to vote for.

As Bagsseti has actually worked in Parliament for an MP I think we can take what she says to be reasonable.

Not all MPs reach the dizzy heights of ministerial posts which make them the target for lobbying and bribery. Nor, I suspect, do most of them expect to.

I'm happy to believe that there are many MPs who do enter parliament with excellent intentions.

eazybee

Well, Maizie D , since like Starmer you don't appear to check on Google, Gordon Brown gave Mandelson his peerage in 2008 as a means of enabling him to join his government. Which he repaid by briefing against him and forwarding sensitive cabinet documents to his best pal.

It was what you said that puzzled me as you didn't name names. It almost read as though you were pointing at Starmer having given Mandelson the peerage.

Thanks for clarifying.

I don’t think people get anywhere in politics, without back stabbing and Machiavellian antics.
I agree Keir Starmer’s days are numbered, maybe not immediately but soon.
I am appalled at the whole affair, but not surprised as money is power.

I have no doubt that most MPs are honest, faithful and reliable and work hard at their jobs.

I dont!

I used to think that, but there are far too many scandals for me to think that any longer.

I personally think more scrutiny and attention needs to be given to the selection process of each Party.
if things go "wrong" there, then the electorate has a miserable selection of people from whom to vote for.

'which did raise'

I have no doubt that most MPs are honest, faithful and reliable and work hard at their jobs. I am also sure that the potential for corruption is distributed fairly evenly across all parties and emerges once they encounter power.
Mandelson is something else; he had a trail of dishonest dealings in connection with politics and business without needing any reference to Epstein,did raise concerns about his appointment, but he had acted as an adviser to Starmer apparently, while leader of the Opposition.
Close friends, I believe.

eazybee

Well, Maizie D , since like Starmer you don't appear to check on Google, Gordon Brown gave Mandelson his peerage in 2008 as a means of enabling him to join his government. Which he repaid by briefing against him and forwarding sensitive cabinet documents to his best pal.

Yes, talk about the classic stab in the back!

keepingquiet

Basgetti

I worked as PA to an MP in the HoC many years ago and found most members, of whichever party, to be decent people trying to do their best for their constituents.
Of course, we tend not to hear about them.

A lone voice here too Basgetti- decent people? Trying to do their best? Whatever next?

We don't hear about them because people just love to read the scandals the media feeds them and they aren't going to stop.

So many angry people with no where to go...

Tbh we don’t really know which MP’s are ‘decent’ and what goes on in their private lives and dealings.The media can’t ‘feed’ stories which aren’t actually there can they? We need the media to expose and show up those who are the cause of scandals.
If the electorate are angry it’s for good reasons.

Well, Maizie D , since like Starmer you don't appear to check on Google, Gordon Brown gave Mandelson his peerage in 2008 as a means of enabling him to join his government. Which he repaid by briefing against him and forwarding sensitive cabinet documents to his best pal.

When I get to it, I may not vote for them.
It is the nature of a floating voter. We float!

Whitewavemark2

fancythat you think that reform MPs, councillors and others connected are not corrupt!!😄😄😄

I do not doubt that.

But I so do not have it in me to vote conserv or Labour[and have hope] any longer.
I dont think I am alone in this by a long way.

^Reform are short on policies.
^

Not buying that.

I see it written on GN all the time.

Sent a link 2 or 3 times.
Cant be bothered to do that any more.

I have never voted for either of the main parties and I cannot see a situation where I ever would.

Mind you I cannot see a situation where I would vote for Reform either.

Basgetti

I worked as PA to an MP in the HoC many years ago and found most members, of whichever party, to be decent people trying to do their best for their constituents.
Of course, we tend not to hear about them.

A lone voice here too Basgetti- decent people? Trying to do their best? Whatever next?

We don't hear about them because people just love to read the scandals the media feeds them and they aren't going to stop.

So many angry people with no where to go...

keepingquiet

fancythat

Not sure when I lost my faith in government.
I think it was probably about 2014 when Cameron was in power.
I realised I neither wanted to vote for the conservatives or Labour ant more.

Personally, I think this is the exact reason, 11 years later, that people are turning to Reform in droves.
Hope.

In what way does Reform offer hope?
Surely most of the same but much, much worse?
Have you learned nothing?
Hang on- you don't need to answer that.

Reform are short on policies.

They are saying what the unhappy and dissatisfied electorate wants to hear…

Iam64

IMO, starmer is damaged beyond repair. The mismanagement of policies resulting in changes set the scene and the Mandelson-Epstein issues expand it.

I believed his focus on improving safety for women and girls. Like many, I’d forgotten Mandelson had supported Epstein’s subsequent denial, despite admitting and being sentenced for sex offences against 14;year olds. When it inevitably emerged that Starmer was reminded of this and other concerns, yet still appointed Mandelson, I lost confidence in Starmer’s judgement.

This Mandelson nightmare will be the end for Starmer. It is damaging the Labour Party

I agree, PM should have been kicked out of the Labour Party as soon as a link with Epstein was found, many years ago.

PM stayed in Epstein’s house in Manhattan whilst he was in jail for paedophilia for flips sake, what is wrong with Labour and its advisers?

fancythat

Not sure when I lost my faith in government.
I think it was probably about 2014 when Cameron was in power.
I realised I neither wanted to vote for the conservatives or Labour ant more.

Personally, I think this is the exact reason, 11 years later, that people are turning to Reform in droves.
Hope.

In what way does Reform offer hope?
Surely most of the same but much, much worse?
Have you learned nothing?
Hang on- you don't need to answer that.

IMO, starmer is damaged beyond repair. The mismanagement of policies resulting in changes set the scene and the Mandelson-Epstein issues expand it.

I believed his focus on improving safety for women and girls. Like many, I’d forgotten Mandelson had supported Epstein’s subsequent denial, despite admitting and being sentenced for sex offences against 14;year olds. When it inevitably emerged that Starmer was reminded of this and other concerns, yet still appointed Mandelson, I lost confidence in Starmer’s judgement.

This Mandelson nightmare will be the end for Starmer. It is damaging the Labour Party

Starmer is in danger now over the Mandelson issue. This is leaving the door open for Reform which would be a disaster for our country.

fancythat you think that reform MPs, councillors and others connected are not corrupt!!😄😄😄

Not sure when I lost my faith in government.
I think it was probably about 2014 when Cameron was in power.
I realised I neither wanted to vote for the conservatives or Labour ant more.

Personally, I think this is the exact reason, 11 years later, that people are turning to Reform in droves.
Hope.

^ turning on the man who gave him his peerage^

Who do you think gave Mandelson his peerage, eazybee?