Jan Leeming said train your kids like dogs

Oh yes a Red Bull, puppy and maybe a drum or a vuvuzela. Is that the spelling?

HelterSkelter1

I always wonder why "celebrities" make these statements on line which they know will result in a backlash. Has she got a book coming out?
A quiet word with the restaurant owner would be better as I expect they value her custom as she is no doubt recognised....but maybe not by the younger generation. Anyone under 60 I mean.

She did have a word when she left and she says that they were not the slightest bit apologetic. She’s got a perfect right to express her views on SM - in fact well known people can in some cases help to get people to take some issues more seriously - think Frank Gardner and Tanni Grey- Thompson taking to SM about their negative experiences as disabled travellers.

Jan Leeming has a son.

Kate1949

Jan Leeming has a son.

Goodness , he must be quite an age. Probably safe to take out to a good restaurant

shysal

Am I right in thinking that Jan hasn't had children? If so , that says it all!

Yes, she has a son.

Just googled - he’s 63.

Expensive, higher end restaurants should impose an age limit on children. If it's the sort of place that leans towards fine dining and expensive bottles of wine then their core clientele is going to be couples looking for a romantic evening or friends celebrating a landmark occasion. They may well have saved up for a long time to enjoy the privilege. The last thing anyone wants is screaming kids running around. I would've thought that diners who had paid for a babysitter themselves would be pretty pissed off too.

Kate1949

Jan Leeming has a son.

X post, sorry!
She does not have grandchildren.

I remember her from years ago, when we lived in Devon, she lived not far from us and had a sports car; we'd often see her.

She has a point.
As children, we were made to SIT at the table, say grace then SIT for ten minutes afterwards to 'let our meal go down'.
We were toilet trained.
I had to FETCH for my mother - "Can you fetch me whatever from upstairs, dear. Your legs are younger than mine"
Don't jump all over the furniture.
Go out and get some fresh air.
I knew where my bed was and so did the dogs (and it wasn't mine, theirs was in the kitchen).

Perhaps things are different now.

The worst case of unruly children we experienced was a few years ago in Costa Coffee, two children, quite young, certainly under 5, running around whilst customers were walking about with hot drinks, often on trays, so quite dangerous. In the end the staff who usually don't engage with these sort of situations, told the parent to take them out. I think one of the problems is that parents aren't engaging with children when they're out with them in such places, so often being preoccupied with their phones is one factor.

Dogs and children need to be trained.
People who allow their children or dogs to misbehave are doing them no favours.
I have seen some unacceptable behaviour from adults in restaurants.
Clearly not trained.

BlueBelle

Why punish the restaurant for someone else’s tardiness Astictintime? That I don’t understand at all , unless of course they are a permanent feature and live there.
So you may go to another restaurant and same happens are you going to boycott all the restaurants in town until you find one that boycotts children

The restaurant manager thought the children’s behaviour was funny and entertaining……….hence my decision.

We went to a busy pub/restaurant yesterday.

I noticed one quiet dog under a table and any children were sitting with their families, not rushing around.
Thank goodness.

We stopped at a small service area a few months ago. We called in to a little cafe/bakery (part of a chain). There was an empty table but it was covered in paper wrappings, paper cups etc. the floor was literally swimming with chunks of bread, bits of pizza and wrappings. My brother asked a member of staff if it could be cleared for us. The guy said he would as soon as he had time as his colleague was on her break. He then said “people are just animals. They let their kids drop food, throw food and spill drinks and make no effort to teach them right from wrong.”

Is that why your only son is in Australia ,,Jan ?
I wonder if it's a prelude to advertising for a new book as she's written seven .

I must say that I find the way that some kids behave in restaurants is extremely annoying.
Their parents are either talking or glued to their phones and don't interact with them.
My friends are I vacate our favourite cafe when they descend on it

Is that why your only son is in Australia ,,Jan ?
That is very unkind.
Many of us have DC overseas and have good relationships with them.

Esmay

Is that why your only son is in Australia ,,Jan ?
I wonder if it's a prelude to advertising for a new book as she's written seven .

I must say that I find the way that some kids behave in restaurants is extremely annoying.
Their parents are either talking or glued to their phones and don't interact with them.
My friends are I vacate our favourite cafe when they descend on it

So, on the one hand you assume her son has emigrated because she brought him up to be well-mannered and not be a nuisance.

But in the same post assume he emigrated because she did just that!

🤔

Until he was around 4, we couldn’t take Gds to any ordinary restaurant - he was a human hurricane and could not just sit before or after eating. The only exception was pubs with reasonable gardens in summer, where he could run around.

No SN BTW, in case anyone’s wondering. Just bursting with energy, and still is at 9.

Never had any such problem with his elder or younger siblings, both girls.

Esmay

Is that why your only son is in Australia ,,Jan ?
I wonder if it's a prelude to advertising for a new book as she's written seven .

I must say that I find the way that some kids behave in restaurants is extremely annoying.
Their parents are either talking or glued to their phones and don't interact with them.
My friends are I vacate our favourite cafe when they descend on it

Unbelievable - first of all JL can’t comment on the behaviour of children because she ( wrong information) doesn’t have any. Now it’s ( incredibly unkindly ) suggested he’s emigrated because of her. I wonder what prompts such comments? I feel like being unkind myself and suggesting the green eyed monster.

I read this last week and the response from the Children mother.
Jan Leeming just should have asked to move her table?
It was a Lunch time meal the children were under 5's and the restaurant has a children's menu so they welcome children. Perhaps she needs check out the menu next time she goes out as that's a big clue that children are welcome.

Visgir1

I read this last week and the response from the Children mother.
Jan Leeming just should have asked to move her table?
It was a Lunch time meal the children were under 5's and the restaurant has a children's menu so they welcome children. Perhaps she needs check out the menu next time she goes out as that's a big clue that children are welcome.

What you heard was actually the wrong mother being interviewed. Poor journalism failed to establish that this mother was there the week before. When JL was there it was actually one child.

Visgir1

I read this last week and the response from the Children mother.
Jan Leeming just should have asked to move her table?
It was a Lunch time meal the children were under 5's and the restaurant has a children's menu so they welcome children. Perhaps she needs check out the menu next time she goes out as that's a big clue that children are welcome.

Jan Leeming just should have asked to move her table?

Unbelievable!!
Goodness, how entitled some of these young parents are!

An 84 year old should have to move because they want to sit where they like and allow their children to be disruptive!

And children’s menus usually go up yo age 12 and are actually can be eaten by well behaved children

Tuliptree. Yes I agree that good does come from celebrities bringing to light on SM the poor treatment the disabled have at the hands of large corporations such as airlines.

But to identify a restaurant and possibly the day, I haven't read all the link, is unnecessary and also has probably identified the family and child and leads to a frenzy of criticism about children and the older generation. It's all so clickbait and divisive.
If she did mention it to the manager and had little sympathy then she must take her business elsewhere.

If they're running around, annoying other people, or shouting noisily all the way through the meal, they'll probably not digest it then be sick.
Then blame the chef.

I’m with Jan. However well behaved children are ok too.

I believe one of the 4 children was 1 year old, so imo far too young to go to a restaurant.