Jan Leeming said train your kids like dogs

HelterSkelter1

Tuliptree. Yes I agree that good does come from celebrities bringing to light on SM the poor treatment the disabled have at the hands of large corporations such as airlines.

But to identify a restaurant and possibly the day, I haven't read all the link, is unnecessary and also has probably identified the family and child and leads to a frenzy of criticism about children and the older generation. It's all so clickbait and divisive.
If she did mention it to the manager and had little sympathy then she must take her business elsewhere.

Why on earth should she not criticise the restaurant on SM? No one has actually accused her of lying. If I lived in that area, I’d be grateful to know about that restaurant’s toleration of noisy children and avoid it. The mother who erroneously thought it was her was quite happy to come forward and be interviewed on national radio. The idea that she’x behaved badly by criticising what happened and not the parents of the children/ restaurant is verging on the ludicrous.

PS when out two grandsons, now 13 and 15, came out to a cafe with us we always took toy cars and games for the to play with. Recently we were out with them for lunch and our eldest grandson asked DH for something to occupy them whilst waiting for food. We got out a box of pick a stick and they played happily. 👍

I've been annoyed by loud often drunk adults more often than by children. I'd be happy to breathalyse people before they are
seated and no alcohol supplied with meals. Some people might object but as a teetotaller I'm fed up of drunks.

theworriedwell

I've been annoyed by loud often drunk adults more often than by children. I'd be happy to breathalyse people before they are
seated and no alcohol supplied with meals. Some people might object but as a teetotaller I'm fed up of drunks.

I can honestly say that I have not been annoyed in an upmarket restaurant by. the behaviour of adults. But I agree that in some restaurants there is adult behaviour that leaves much to be desired

Usually parents stick their mobiles showing cartoons on the table in front of their kids and said kids are as good as gold.

Boz

Usually parents stick their mobiles showing cartoons on the table in front of their kids and said kids are as good as gold.

Some child-friendly restaurants/pubs used to have colouring pencils, crayons and pictures to colour in which would keep children happy when they weren't actually eating.

Our 3 year old GS went through a difficult stage and could start misbehaving when in public areas, but a parent would remove him and take him to a quiet space to calm down, if in a restaurant one of them would take him outside. He is now fine. The problem is when parents insist upon training their toddlers whilst in a public space, deliberately ignoring the child’s frantic cries or walking away saying stuff like ‘ok mummy/daddy is going home now’ whilst the toddler writhes on the floor screaming. This might be part of a toddler training project but other members of the public don’t want to be lumbered with the ear splitting results. Keep toddler training for at home or in a quiet space away from people who have ears.

In many ways, I understand her point.
In several occasions I have seen parents almost at the mercy of their children, pleading with them to behave.

All this 'please' business and long winded explanations as to why they shouldn't behave atrociously is counter productive in this age of ' gentle parenting'.

No child was ever damaged by a sharp " Stop that and sit down. NOW! " if their family home was loving and supportive.

Children need to learn at a young age about unacceptable behaviour and a parent giving them the choice as to whether they obey or not is doing the child, and society, no favours.

My three children were all well behaved but I have had to tolerate someone else’s brats who were so badly behave that it has ruined out time out. Please do not blame the restaurants or pubs - it is all down to the parents.

GrannyGravy13

We took our children to all types of restaurants and hotels from an early age, they now take their own children to all types of restaurants.

They know how to behave and are far better behaved than some adults.

Exactly so. Ours are confident in ordering food and drinks. We rake crayons, paper and increasingly screens if we are likely to stay and chat a while

Are we the only country in Europe that has this strange attitude about children?

They seem to be on a par with dogs if you look at the comments about dogs in restaurants thread. Much the same comments.

Whitewavemark2

Are we the only country in Europe that has this strange attitude about children?

They seem to be on a par with dogs if you look at the comments about dogs in restaurants thread. Much the same comments.

What’s strange about wanting to enjoy a decent meal in peace and quiet? I’ve eaten out over 50 years in France in all levels of restaurants and never experienced a badly behaved child. Maybe the real question is why are there more badly behaved children in the UK?

Whitewavemark2

Are we the only country in Europe that has this strange attitude about children?

They seem to be on a par with dogs if you look at the comments about dogs in restaurants thread. Much the same comments.

Do French children hurtle around restaurants, getting in the way and annoying everyone?

Or do they sit, chat and eat with their families?

X post Tuliptree

Exactly. It's not about NOT wanting children to be in restaurants. It's about the behaviour of some of those children - that's the difference.

ViceVersa

Exactly. It's not about NOT wanting children to be in restaurants. It's about the behaviour of some of those children - that's the difference.

Exactly this. I remember once in France in a small restaurant quite late in the evening, a French family filed past our table on their way out. I was amazed to see it included 2 young children (5/7 ish) whose presence we had been totally unaware of all evening

Maybe it's the judgement before they utter a sound that's the problem? I remember me as an 18 year old mum getting on a coach with baby who was nearly a year old. I could hear the tuts and moans. He was an angel and one of the moaners approached as we were getting off to congratulate me on his behaviour.

I ignored her, if I'd told her what I thought of her behaviour she wouldn't have been happy.

50 years ago, we took our two boys to see the sights in London as a 'treat', ending up at a pleasant restaurant, where the children were far too tired to make pests of themselves, we were about to take our leave when the chef appeared to say farewell and our three-year-old addressed him: 'Thank you for a very nice dinner,' completely unprompted. His own two sons have always had good table manners and I don't think their mum can take all the credit!

GrannyGravy13

We took our children to all types of restaurants and hotels from an early age, they now take their own children to all types of restaurants.

They know how to behave and are far better behaved than some adults.

Yes, I agree it is lovely to see well behaved children in restaurants, but if you go to a upmarket restaurant, where children are allowed by parents to run around or scream, they spoil the experience for other people.
I don't understand why the parents don't stop them from running around, or if they scream take them out.

theworriedwell

Maybe it's the judgement before they utter a sound that's the problem? I remember me as an 18 year old mum getting on a coach with baby who was nearly a year old. I could hear the tuts and moans. He was an angel and one of the moaners approached as we were getting off to congratulate me on his behaviour.

I ignored her, if I'd told her what I thought of her behaviour she wouldn't have been happy.

I really do think that’s a different type of situation and I guess you were not in a position to have, for example, your own taxi for the journey? I'm admit I’m guilty as charged - if I were in a decent restaurant in the UK I would sigh if a family with young children came in. I call it experience not prejudice

We had numerous holidays in France when our children were young. One occasion, we'd just come off the beach, and they were quite sand covered. We went into one of the smart restaurants that lined the beach asking if we could be tucked out of the way into a corner. The maitre d, told us that he was happy to seat us anywhere, and he did, in a central part. Our children always behaved in restaurants so I wasn't worried about that aspect.

It is prejudice though isn't it, just like the woman who decided teenager with baby, one is obviously incompetent and one will be a screamer. She was wrong. I'd have been more receptive if she'd apologised rather than the gushing ,"isn't he an angel "

I can't think of when I've been bothered by a badly behaved child, last year a little boy with Downs Syndrome was a bit noisy but I started playing peekaboo with him and we both had fun, maybe we see what we expect to see?

Maybe you've just been lucky, theworriedwell, but from the comments on here, some of us have certainly seen badly behaved children in eating places. It's not being prejudiced not to want children running about when waiting staff are carrying hot food and drinks, is it? I'm sure the parents would be the first to complain if their little darlings got scalded, for instance.

AGAA4

Sit! Roll over! Beg! I don't think so Jan.

Our dog knows "Be quiet", " sit, stay" "come here" and is perfectly houstrained.

If only all children started school with that basic training, think what else they could be taught.

shysal

Am I right in thinking that Jan hasn't had children? If so , that says it all!

Sure she has at least 1 DS?