A famous matador gored by bull!

Apparently the celebrated retired matador was gored minutes after stepping into the ring. He was at his first appearance after making a come-back, so perhaps he was out of practice and not dodging as nimbly as he used to.

He will be wishing he had stayed retired!

Although I abhor bull-fighting but cannot revel in this like some, the bull does sound as if he knew exactly what he was doing, by the position of the injury.

Well hopefully he’s wishing he never started Elegran
I wonder if you’d all be so empathic if he had been maiming and killing people !! Now there’s a thought

The bull might have got his revenge but he then paid the ultimate penalty.

Bullfighting is abhorrent, but gloating over horrific injuries is equally so, IMO.

I would ban bullfighting - even prosecute matadors for cruelty - but I can't help thinking that there is little difference between enjoying watching a bull tormented and being pleased when the same happens to a man. Both appeal to very base instincts.

I agree Doodledog. What a horrible thread.

Agree an unpleasant thread.

I agree, Doodledog
Surely we are better than this?

Haven’t read the whole thread —Did the bull die ?

Allira

I agree, Doodledog
Surely we are better than this?

I agree, but sadly, some aren’t.
Some would probably have the same reaction and might even have told the 12 year old who fell off her horse and broke her spine- that she knew the risk. The horse had no choice.

Or the people who were injured when the police horses tossed their riders and ran loose. Serves them right for getting in the way. The horses had no choice.

I’d certainly not ask for sympathy after being knocked over by an over friendly Labrador and damaging my knee - obviously my fault for being on the field. The dog had no choice.

I don’t agree with bull fighting, but celebrating or getting enjoyment from an animal’s pain, whether the animal is human or not is sick.

Again, in none of those scenarios was anyone actively torturing an animal. That's the difference with bullfighting - and no, I make no apologies for not having a shred of sympathy for anyone being cruel to an animal. If that makes me sick in the eyes of some people, then so be it - I couldn't care less. I've been actively campaigning against bullfighting since I was a child.

Better than what Allira? It doesn't take much IMO to be better than anyone who enjoys seeing a bull physically tormented and tortured before it's eventually killed. Or to be better than the person who does so for a living.

Bull fighting is a misnomer. It isn't a fight, it's the protracted torture and eventual slaughter of a bull.

I cannot believe what posters are saying about the matador. He has horrific injuries.
You can disagree as I do with bull fighting but not wish ill on others. Absolutly disgusting. I don't know how your minds work to wish ill. Horrible.

I haven't wished him ill rafichagran, I have no sympathy; there's a difference.

Maybe Smileless but the posters who said good did.

Rosie51

Basgetti yes we know the matador knew the risks, so does a mountain climber, sky diver, or racing driver. I recognise none of those involve animal cruelty but would you dismiss serious injury or death to any of them with "they knew the risks"? If not why not? Does the animal cruelty aspect absolve everyone of common human decency?

Who’s celebrating? I’m not.

We know the matador knew the risks, so does a mountain climber, sky diver, or racing driver.

You're comparing apples with oranges with this argument. Firstly,a mountain climber, sky diver or racing driver puts only himself at risk; he has a support team to assist him achieve his goal but ultimately, he's solely responsible for his safety.
Secondly, the support team members have the capacity to refuse to be a part of that extreme sport; they have the ability to walk away, at any stage, if they feel that anyone's safety is being compromised or that someone stands an above average chance of being hurt or injured.

The bull has none of these options. It doesn't have capacity to agree or disagree to be baited to a rage and then stabbed. I'm as sure as I can be that, if it did have that capacity, it would tell you to sod off. The bull has been conscripted; whether willing or not and therefore reacts in the only way it knows: to kill. The matador knows all of this (because he's the intelligent one) and decides to take the risk anyway. On this occasion, it's matador 0. Bull 1.

Good. It beggars believe that people pay to go and see an animal tortured to death. So much evil in this world.

No sympathy! I hope he died a painful death! Poor animals should not be subjected to this in the name of entertainment.

I don't think he died, purplepixie.
The one who died was a "rising star" I believe.

I don’t want anyone to suffer, but I can’t help thinking there’s a sort of poetic justice in this.

Grandma70s

I don’t want anyone to suffer, but I can’t help thinking there’s a sort of poetic justice in this.

The bull was killed afterwards, though.

So not a happy ending for him either.

Stick with the don't want anyone to suffer.
Otherwise you’re implying that you approve of his suffering.

Good, hope it hurt (a lot)

OK so a lot of people disagree with bull fights, me amongst them, but I also don't take any pleasure in the fact that a person has been gored by a bull and find some of the comments above abhorrent.