Harry and Meghan. UK Visit.

I have.
What I see is a man who has had an unhappy childhood with a deep well of sadness inside him..
I am glad he has found happiness with his wife and children.
He is always going to be saddled with his heritage and the scars from his childhood, but he has done good things in spite of this: served with distinction in the armed forces and started the Invictus Games.
Even if people feel he has done some things wrong and made mistakes as all of us do, I cannot see where the hatred comes from or why anyone would waste their time on it. He is not our relative or neighbour and his actions do not impinge on us in any way. Why expend a moment of life on this?

Well, that went well, didn't it?
Seriously.

They all met up, had a nice time. Went home.

No fanfare, no sightings or photos.

Job done.

Rinse and repeat, if this is all it takes.

Ixion you are right.
Have private visits and keep them to yourself.

Luckygirl3 I think the "hatred" (your words - I just see dislike) comes from airing their private life/opinions on their wider family in public.

I think many were shocked/saddened that they would do this.

Luckygirl3

MarieElla

Not that many have welcomed him.
And Meghan would have been either ignored or booed, had she appeared in public.
Wise move not to have had. Her fragile ego would have suffered.

I am deeply intrigued about this level of unkindness and cannot begin to understand what motivates it.

How’s the temperature up there on your high horse ?
As others have said, watch the Oprah interview again, full of lies and misrepresentations of the facts, accusations of racism in the Royal Family, inconsistencies in her account of Archie’s birth (you do not walk out of hospital 2 hours after an epidural, watch that interview where she mocked the Queen doing an elaborate medieval curtsey (even Harry looked embarrassed) or the «Woe is me» interview with Tom Bradby when H&M had just returned from hearing about the most harrowing experiences of women in S Africa and she simperingly complained»nobody asks after me», her complaints about 7 years of hell since marrying Harry, her insistence that she is «Meghan Sussex» when their surname is Mountbatten- Windsor, rudeness in walking in front of the Queen to take flowers most intended for HM to the embarrassment of the Queen’s entourage etc etc.
So reflect and you might get a glimmering of why her behaviour not least regarding the late Queen, has aroused a reaction in many.

We cannot say what are lies. We were not there and witnessed none of it.

I hear all you are saying and your interpretations but I do not agree with them, nor do I see why it mayters so much to people. This is a family dispute and we simply cannot know all that went on/goes on. It is not our business.

Luckygirl3

We cannot say what are lies. We were not there and witnessed none of it.

Exactly.

However, I also agree that they should have visited, seen the King, brought their children, and left quietly. It does seem this is exactly what they’ve done.

I hope this is repeated many times. Our King is not a young man and I have no doubt he lives his sons and grandchildren.

Notwithstanding this, I do think both Harry and William are “marked” by the events happening throughout their entire childhood, a very public divorce, release of alleged phone call recordings, awful interviews given by both their parents and then their mother's early and awful death.

To be honest, as a parent, I hope their rifts ultimately mend.

Luckygirl3

We cannot say what are lies. We were not there and witnessed none of it.

luckygirl, I am surprised how naive some of your comments are in defence of Meghan.
Even the Archbishop of Canterbury had to publicly deny her statement (lie) that she and Harry were secretly married by him a few days before the actual wedding.

Lathyrus3

Gosh. Is that a bit of vitriol? It feels like it.

We don’t like vitriol do we?

We think it’s unkind and unnecessary.

I don't know why you're being lairy towards me, but feel free, if it helps.

As you say, Luckygirl, the family dispute is not our business.
But it becomes our business when two of the principals involved give interviews to a world famous chat show host, write books detailing personal details, release stories accusing family of racist remarks (but not naming them, causing even more discord)) and doing everything they can to divert attention to themselves.
It was sickening to see on television news the Latest strip floating across the screen announcing 'Meghan and the children are coming' just as Ann Widdecombe's death/murder was announced, as though it was of equal importance.

Luckygirl3

We cannot say what are lies. We were not there and witnessed none of it.

Well I think we can when a basic understanding of fact proves how wrong headed and ultimately duplicitous some public assertions were. Archie’s HRH status- nothing to with skin colour but he was not entitled to it as great grandson of the monarch
The «wedding» in Lambeth Palace garden - illegal if true, complete fantasy as it turned out as attested by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
When you are making public statements about the Monsrchy, this is no longer a private family affair.

Lying under oath to ruin people’s careers and lives, followed up by accusing a judge of a complete whitewash when it doesn’t go his way is certainly our business. But he has a history of lying as we all know. As does she.

Luckygirl13
You do need to take off your rose tinted specs.
Meghan and Harry are entitled liars and deeply flawed.
However, they are entertaining in such as , how idiotic venture are they going to get up to next?
And please stops telling us off on this thread.
Why not save energy and join a chat that supports them.....
You're only upsetting yourself here.

Luckygirl3

People are indeed entitled to their opinions. That goes without saying.

Mine is that it is unkind and unnecessary to criticise this young family who are dealing with a family rift. And that this is one of the things that contributes to them feeling they need protection in the UK.

dealing with a family rift

But they were the cause of the family rift!

There wouldn’t have been one, without Meghan sticking her two pennyworth in!

A word of thanks to Furret and Lucky for having the determination to try and encourage the majority to even consider it isn’t as simple as William and Catherine exactly how the RF is expected to behave and Harry and Megan, absolutely dreadful human beings who deserve to be excommunicated

Honestly, let’s all just agree to disagree.

The one thing they cannot help (now) is the press reporting about them.

All people have lied at some point in their lives. I’m not sure where Meghan is coming from half the time and it’s clear Harry does want a relationship with her family.

I haven’t read the book “Spare” and I didn’t see the Oprah interview.

I just think, well nothing really.

Just let them all get on with it.

The only time I really get annoyed is when people bracket Harry as being the same as his Uncle Andrew. As for the rest, well I hope the family issues are resolved and they just get on with their lives.

His family, not her family!

I haven’t read the book ‘Spare’and I didn’t see the Oprah interview

I suggest you do both, and it will give you a lot more insight into what all this is about.

Straight from the horse’s mouth, as it were.

If Harry has lied in court that is of course fundamentally wrong and I am sure he will be indicted for perjury and rightly so. We can only wait and see.
But it is not really surprising that the DM should make this accusation. It is what happens in these cases.

I am on the side of fairness and the sort of vendetta that has been waged against this couple is neither fair nor decent.

So H&M are not liars??

Who knows? No one on here for sure.
It’s all very sad ..makes me think of LesDawsons old lady characters gossiping about stuff they knew nothing about and wallowing in other folks misfortunes.
I,m not a monarchist,I,d happily see them all on the dole tomorrow,I think they are hypocrites and worse
Charlie and Di were manipulative of the press exactly like Harry and Meghan,they both did interviews,had books published aired their dirty linen and other lovers….all forgotten on here and you are all so in favour of the new queen…adulteress and no doubt liar too.
Give us all a break
I avoid these usually but honestly ,time some of you got a life!
Bad enough you can’t turn on the tv without the royal publicity machine spouting out some nonsense .
They are just people not gods.

paddyann54

Who knows? No one on here for sure.
It’s all very sad ..makes me think of LesDawsons old lady characters gossiping about stuff they knew nothing about and wallowing in other folks misfortunes.
I,m not a monarchist,I,d happily see them all on the dole tomorrow,I think they are hypocrites and worse
Charlie and Di were manipulative of the press exactly like Harry and Meghan,they both did interviews,had books published aired their dirty linen and other lovers….all forgotten on here and you are all so in favour of the new queen…adulteress and no doubt liar too.
Give us all a break
I avoid these usually but honestly ,time some of you got a life!
Bad enough you can’t turn on the tv without the royal publicity machine spouting out some nonsense .
They are just people not gods.

Do agree, especially with your last sentence?

Thanks for that paddyanna54....
Are you policing all the threads or just this one?
Best to continue avoiding threads that wind you up.

paddyann54

Who knows? No one on here for sure.
It’s all very sad ..makes me think of LesDawsons old lady characters gossiping about stuff they knew nothing about and wallowing in other folks misfortunes.
I,m not a monarchist,I,d happily see them all on the dole tomorrow,I think they are hypocrites and worse
Charlie and Di were manipulative of the press exactly like Harry and Meghan,they both did interviews,had books published aired their dirty linen and other lovers….all forgotten on here and you are all so in favour of the new queen…adulteress and no doubt liar too.
Give us all a break
I avoid these usually but honestly ,time some of you got a life!
Bad enough you can’t turn on the tv without the royal publicity machine spouting out some nonsense .
They are just people not gods.

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Lathyrus3

Gosh. Is that a bit of vitriol? It feels like it.

We don’t like vitriol do we?

We think it’s unkind and unnecessary.

I don't know why you're being lairy towards me, but feel free, if it helps.

Well I don’t know why you’re singling me out from the other posters who also thought your comment about William was particularly nasty.

I wasn’t the only one to protest.