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The King's Speech

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Sparklefizz Mon 26-Dec-22 07:20:35

What did you think? I caught up with it on iPlayer last night just to see how it went as it was his first Christmas speech, and I thought he did quite well.

I also thought it was a very good idea not to be filmed sitting at a desk surrounded by personal photos which could then be picked apart.

Grantanow Tue 27-Dec-22 12:18:14

I had a perfectly enjoyable Xmas, volver, and I'm still enjoying it. Hope you are too! The key point about presidents is to establish their terms of reference by law, what they can and can't do, what their role is, how long they are in office for and can they re-stand, how they can be removed and who elects them (universal franchise, the Lords, the Commons?), etc. The monarch's role has been worked out as essentially apolitical and Charles and his recent predecessors understood that but I do question whether a president with a political background could be self-restrained and whether, if they were given powers as in France, the US and elsewhere to make decrees, that would be acceptable. What would their role be in relation to the military and would that create any risks? It may be wearing to think about these matters in relation to Thatcher or Farage or Brown or anyone else but it is important.

Oreo Tue 27-Dec-22 12:23:10

Good post Grantanow 👏🏻👏🏻

Calendargirl Tue 27-Dec-22 12:37:20

Parsley3

I was disappointed to see Catherine bobbing a curtsey to her inlaws at the Carol service. I was hoping that Charles would dispense with that nonsense.

Meghan obviously thought it was nonsense as well.

Maybe it is, but it is what they do.

Catherine realised that curtseying is something that is done in the family she married into, which is one reason why things have gone better for her than her sister in law.

twinnytwin Tue 27-Dec-22 12:39:27

I've come to this thread rather late, but I must comment that I found Charles' speech very uplifting, and hit just the right spot for me. I'm going through a difficult time with family breakup (not me personally) and returned to listen to it again later. I found it comforting. I've rarely bothered to watch the Queen's Christmas speech. I believe Charles is managing his new role very well.

volver Tue 27-Dec-22 12:50:10

DaisyAnne

volver

I just don't understand how people can say that elections can go wrong, implying that we should avoid them and stick with feudalism, but think elections for Parliament are OK.

You either want democracy, or you don't.

I think you should have stopped after "I don't understand". Once that is admitted learning is possible.

You are so rude DaisyAnne.

volver Tue 27-Dec-22 12:58:52

Grantanow

I had a perfectly enjoyable Xmas, volver, and I'm still enjoying it. Hope you are too! The key point about presidents is to establish their terms of reference by law, what they can and can't do, what their role is, how long they are in office for and can they re-stand, how they can be removed and who elects them (universal franchise, the Lords, the Commons?), etc. The monarch's role has been worked out as essentially apolitical and Charles and his recent predecessors understood that but I do question whether a president with a political background could be self-restrained and whether, if they were given powers as in France, the US and elsewhere to make decrees, that would be acceptable. What would their role be in relation to the military and would that create any risks? It may be wearing to think about these matters in relation to Thatcher or Farage or Brown or anyone else but it is important.

I am also enjoying Christmas Grantanow, thank you for your comment.

The terms of reference of a president must indeed be worked out. But personally, I would find that an exciting thing to do. To decide for ourselves how we want our HoS to work.

We really, really have to understand that holding up the presidents of France or the US as examples of how things can go wrong in entirely invalid. Those Presidents are also Heads of Government. That is why they have the power they do. Those countries have an entirely different system to ours.

A constitutional system that has an elected Head of Government, and an Elected Head of State, is an entirely different matter. And we can have that, if only we stopped thinking it was important to have good manners, curtsey to people we think are above us in the hierarchy, and that being HoS needs a lifetime's training and a hat with jewels on.

That is why Eire, Germany, Finland... are such good examples. Their Presidents are not the same as the Presidents of France USA, Brazil... We can have what we want.

I'm worn out by people who can't see that.

Mollygo Tue 27-Dec-22 13:02:37

^ We can have what we want.^
But then, we wanted Brexit.
Would the same people be voting or . . .

BaBaBoom Tue 27-Dec-22 13:05:03

You are so rude DaisyAnne.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

volver Tue 27-Dec-22 13:07:01

Mollygo

^ We can have what we want.^
But then, we wanted Brexit.
Would the same people be voting or . . .

Yes we did want that.

Its the worst thing that could have happened.

Are you suggesting that we shouldn't let people vote on the things they want to happen? Because maybe you wouldn't like the outcome?

Mollygo Tue 27-Dec-22 13:17:46

V. . . Are you suggesting that we shouldn't let people vote on the things they want to happen?
Where did I suggest that?
It’s a fact that “we” as a country voted for Brexit and though I didn’t, I’m still having to live with the consequences.
If “we” voted for a president, I’d have to live with the consequences of that too. That’s what happens with a vote, don’t you know?

volver Tue 27-Dec-22 13:22:28

Yes, we would, wouldn't we Mollygo?

Same as I have to live with lots of things/people I haven't voted for. But I have the hope that one day, more people will think the way I do and we can get rid of the Tory Government, get back into Europe, have Scottish independence, whatever. But whatever, it will be the choice of the majority of the people who vote.

As it stands at the moment, I have no hope that we can have a HoS that represents me and acts for the good of the people of the UK. Because as it stands, the Windsor boys have the job sewn up, and that can never change. Unless we make it happen.

Zoejory Tue 27-Dec-22 13:25:02

I didn't watch the King's Speech
Too busy with hoardes of tiny humans.

I've seen clips and it looks OK. But I'm no expert on the Christmas Day speeches as I've never watched one

nadateturbe Tue 27-Dec-22 13:34:10

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Callistemon21 Tue 27-Dec-22 13:42:14

Zoejory

I didn't watch the King's Speech
Too busy with hoardes of tiny humans.

I've seen clips and it looks OK. But I'm no expert on the Christmas Day speeches as I've never watched one

We were too busy doing our own speeches at that time.
Raising a 🍷 to absent family and friends.

Callistemon21 Tue 27-Dec-22 13:45:29

I don't mind not have an elected HoS.
I think the ones we have do a perfectly good job.
It would be difficult to find any candidates who are not politically motivated who could do as good a job here.

It may work elsewhere.

However, I would like to have an elected Upper House, we need more of balance.

Oreo Tue 27-Dec-22 13:45:59

Three times nadaturbe 😂 are you pressing too many buttons.

Lathyrus Tue 27-Dec-22 13:46:17

Calendargirl

Parsley3

I was disappointed to see Catherine bobbing a curtsey to her inlaws at the Carol service. I was hoping that Charles would dispense with that nonsense.

Meghan obviously thought it was nonsense as well.

Maybe it is, but it is what they do.

Catherine realised that curtseying is something that is done in the family she married into, which is one reason why things have gone better for her than her sister in law.

I think she was making a point.

That’s why they were all smiling when she did it😬

Curtaintwitcher Tue 27-Dec-22 13:48:02

I thought it was a good first Christmas address. St George's Chapel made a magnificent backdrop, and the carol a good choice. I was afraid he would forget that he is now Defender of the Faith, but no, the Christian message was still strong. He seemed very genuine.
(However, did he go hunting on Boxing Day? I could warm to Camilla if she didn't enjoy hunting).

Oreo Tue 27-Dec-22 13:51:17

Callistemon
Just what I think.

pascal30 Tue 27-Dec-22 13:58:46

volver

Yes, we would, wouldn't we Mollygo?

Same as I have to live with lots of things/people I haven't voted for. But I have the hope that one day, more people will think the way I do and we can get rid of the Tory Government, get back into Europe, have Scottish independence, whatever. But whatever, it will be the choice of the majority of the people who vote.

As it stands at the moment, I have no hope that we can have a HoS that represents me and acts for the good of the people of the UK. Because as it stands, the Windsor boys have the job sewn up, and that can never change. Unless we make it happen.

I SO agree with your second paragraph Volver...

Smileless2012 Tue 27-Dec-22 13:58:52

Harry wasn't smiling when she re enacted her curtsy. He looked rather uncomfortable and I don't blame him.

nadateturbe Tue 27-Dec-22 14:11:08

Oreo

Three times nadaturbe 😂 are you pressing too many buttons.

M.E. bad today after Christmas. Struggling.
Thanks for your concern.

Lathyrus Tue 27-Dec-22 14:11:23

Smileless2012

Harry wasn't smiling when she re enacted her curtsy. He looked rather uncomfortable and I don't blame him.

Sorry, I wasnt at all clear.

I meant they were all smiling as Catherine gave her perfect, restrained curtesy, a symbol of respect showing just what was required on this formal occasion and making Meghans overblown gesture look as ridiculous as it was.

No wonder they were all having a quiet little smile to themselves. That’s the way to do it!