Are you woke?

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I'm gluten free and you can get more products than ever before but in restaurants there are often many, many dishes for vegans and still very few gluten free choices. What l dislike is that so many of the "woke"/vegan brigade like to preach tolerance but are completely intolerant to the vast majority who might have more traditional and/or conservative views. Most of us have always tried to be fair to others without needing to make a production of it.

I'm just fed up of all the "old" words that are stolen and given a new meaning. When I use them in their original meaning, I'm gasped at. Does that mean that I'm just not woke?

It's a bit like that (labelling) with some gluten free foods. My hubby has coeliac disease and fir many years I've had to check the ingredients on everything for gluten. But a lot of things that are just naturally and always gluten free are now labelled "gluten free" and the price is higher. Some pasta sauce manufacturers do this. The standard sauce is gluten free anyway, but they do a separate gluten free labelled version which is exactly the same, exactly the same ingredients, but dearer because it states "gluten free" on the label. Btw I hate the term "woke" too. Absurd. And sounds stupid.

It kind of depends what words you’re using there Nankat as to whether it means you’re not woke or just plain racist/sexist/bigoted!

And just because we dont choose to be vegan DOES NOT mean we are mean to animals,or would let them suffer,im a keen supporter of RSPCA but it doesnt mean i have to not eat meat just because vegans/ vegetarians say i shouldnt.what happened to free choice? Worlds gone mad..its like when folk stop smoking& then spend life lecturing others (And no ive NEVER smoked so can comment on that Guilt free!

I refuse to use the word on the grounds it's not even grammatical. It should be "are you awake?" or "I woke someone" I don't see why all trendy concepts need to be accompanied by travesties of grammar or spelling!

Well I guess language is constantly evolving... I discovered a new phrase at dinner tonight when my six year old Grandson announced that what I had cooked for the family was ‘forty six’ which I thought an odd turn of phrase, and said as much. His Father nearly inhaled his mouthful and said it wasn’t ‘forty six’ but ‘pretty sick’ which is apparently the latest expression for ‘really good’. We’ve agreed that ‘forty six’ sounds better and so will be using that as a mutually agreed inter-generational term of appreciation instead. ☺️

And i agree with Musicgirl, and Nancat,and Moggycuddler

Just looked up 'woke' on Wikipedia and I'm still none the wiser. Whatever it used to mean I suspect that meaning is changing so we'll never be really sure. I associate it with people trying to be more virtuous than everyone else, and looking for opportunities to criticise the behaviour of others.

And with Readymeals.for a change

Yes chestnut,like the 'holier than thou' vegans

How will the planet be saved if the same population has to be plant fed? Surely the real problem is that there are just too many people?

If that was a response to my post, then it won't. And I didn't say it would. Knowing that there would be someone who said something like this there always is) I very carefully said 'if at least some of us do it'.

Probably everyone should cut right down on eating meat, but not everyone will - some will insist on their 'right' to eat it every day. So if some people never eat it, it will compensate for that a bit. And that will be good for the planet, which is all I said.

I don't understand why the fact that the word 'woke' started it's modern usage in the US means that it should stay there. Lots of English words have come in from elsewhere.

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Each to our own i say- we shouldn't be made to feel bad.

SirChenjin, I'm not any "ist" as far as I know, but one example is a cutting from an old newspaper (1950's) reporting on the Maypole Dance on the vicarage lawn, where it said how gay the children looked. Say a child looks gay now and it causes an uproar!

Yes chestnut,like the 'holier than thou' vegans .

'Holier than thou' vegans are irritating, but so are those who sneer at anyone who chooses a lifestyle different from theirs.

I'm a meat eater, for what that's worth, and my lifestyle is boringly 'mainstream'. But I love the fact that young people are starting to choose different ways to live, and don't feel that they have to live the same way that their parents did. I'm quite happy in my rut, but if I were starting again, I'd at least consider doing something different, and why not?

One thing about being 'woke' is that it involves actively not judging others. Yes, it can get a bit earnest (but young people can be), but on the whole the 'live and let live' philosophy is a good one, I think.

Usual caveats apply, before anyone jumps in .

Please dont put the word 'right' like that,as though its not anyway,yes it is our right if we want,or not,to be vegan or not be vegan,free choice,see?And also,a lot of people are choosing to eat less meat as a healthier diet choice,which will also help,wont it?(this year i am too) BUT it doesnt mean i want to give up fish or eggs etc,or to be nagged if i want a chicken salad!

Probably made with palm oil....

Doodledog,if you mean me,say so,also i am NOT sneering at others lifestyle,just moaning about ones who think theyre better than some just cause we choose not to live as they do..I knew you'd be trrouble this morning Doodledog,the minute you posted originally.theres always one

And it was Lizzypopbottle who started it!

So,sorry to Doodledog

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I think it's only right that we all try to eat less red meat, and to make sure we buy from a good local source. But there are nearly 8 billion people on the planet and how many of them eat meat?

I don't know if anybody has explained this, but the "vegan" refers to the surfactant in the ingredients list. Surfactants are the basis of most cleaners (including soap and shampoo) and are derived from fatty oils, so this particular chemical was made from non-animal fat. That's all there is to it.