Pandemic panic

Thank you craftyone for your insight and Janeiansworth for the link
This has helped me make an informed decision about my elderly parents who are both taking ACEs
That's what I need, proper information and explanations so that I dont have to listen to fake news and Chinese whispers and can make an informed choice as to how I will behave.
Maybe chinese whispers wasnt a good phrase to use in these circumstances

I don't believe it's as easy as all that for the over 60s to "hunker down" as you put it craftyone.
Many younger people have to deal with older folk on a daily basis and once the virus is endemic in the community older people will be at more risk surely?
Many carers for example will be younger.
If it is slower to spread, surely the hospitals will cope better, even if it takes longer?

yes too right re over 60s and just for once I am grateful that I have no parents and that my husband has died, he had copd and was on ACE inhibitors and immune compromised really. Would not have coped with being grounded. I can cope, luckily have the right temperament

Yes the second part, greeneyedgirl, absolutely correct.

no don`t suddenly drop the ACE inhibitors, stay isolated and speak to your doc about changing the drug for another

It is not at all necessary to test everyone varian. All resources need to be spent on the ones who become ill, have difficulty breathing. Have you seen the pictures from Italy? We need the help to go where it is needed, not just so that some people can say `oh I have coronavirus`

Common sense has to prevail, we all need to do our bit and keep a distance at the very least

There was a programme about pandemics on BBC4 last night, but I fell asleep watching it. It's been on several times and I must admit to not ever really watching it properly even though I have BBC4 on most nights. I must watch it. It did say that there are warehouses full of equipment and medication to be used in the event of a pandemic but I'm sure GP's have said they have received very little and what they have had is shoddy.

This appeared on my FB page today -

Excellent advice OurKid1, thanks for that . Easier said than done though ......

I had just put on another thread that the one thing that concerns me is the stopping of testing. To repeat what I said there, how can you measuring anything if you don't have the data?

Measure not measuring.

10 more deaths in the last 24 hours bringing the uk total to 21. Those who think its 'just' like flu might like to watch the short video with a doctor who is recovering from Covid19. It is clearly worse.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51886497

Another link re ACE

www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m810/rr-2

The above I find totally disgusting as the decision will affect many in preventing them from working due to the requirement of child care. No doubt those teachers and other staff will expect the supermarket's shelves to be fully stocked as they take a prolonged break.

I can’t even get past this comment. Teachers are not choosing to close schools, and schools are not closing just to give teachers a prolonged break. What are completely dismissive attitude.

I just spoke on the phone to another person a few years older than me, maybe 75 with heart and breathing problems. Another one who said schools should close and they would carry on as normal. I had to clench my hands while I explained all over again. There are a lot out and about who really don`t care and several are in the vulnerable group. Its a very nasty way to die, why on earth risk it?

“It’s possible that COVID-19 will be similar to a bad flu year but there are a number of indications that it will be very much like the 1918 flu pandemic,” wrote Juliana Grant, a preventive medicine physician and infectious disease epidemiologist. “To put that in perspective, the 1918 flu did not end civilisation as we know it but it was the second-deadliest event of the last 200 years. It is likely that people you know will die from Covid-19.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-cdc-1918-flu-pandemic-death-toll-symptoms-a9389171.html

I have just read online that a shopper has been mugged for a 4-pack of toilet rolls as he was leaving the supermarket!!

Your post at 12.47 today was spot on Labaik

President Macron gave a speech to the nation yesterday in which he pledged to look after the vulnerable at all costs and urged everyone to do the same. The state are handing out free masks. Bit different eh?

yes, a nanny state with a sticking plaster. For goodness sake look after yourselves, where on earth has that war spirit gone, many still have it but others want everything handed on a plate. Some have made their own masks, every bit as good as a paper one. Don`t rely on fake words. Isolate, do it

Oh purlease not back to the world war, we'll fight them on the beaches cr*p, let's have a good old argument about brave little Britain being bailed out by the US shall we? Got some biros and marker pens have you to make pretend stockings? Go well with masks made out of bras and how about plastic tubing and old blacksmiths bellows to replace ventilators, I'm sure they'll do. Dads Army, fgs!! Wheres that boomer remover thread again, what century is this?

Oops, another link to make you happy, broad Yorkshire accent now 'vaccine, vaccine' nah we want non of that EU rubbish, we'd rather 60% of the population die than accept anythin' from elsewhere. I daresay a lady cake n a cup o'tea will outdo any EU vaccine. Let me get ma pinny...'

LOL x 000s.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-vaccine-delays-brexit-ema-expensive?

Two hundred and twenty nine scientists from UK universities have written to the government to say that the current approach will put the NHS under additional stress and "risk many more lives than necessary". They criticised comments made by Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, about managing the spread of the infection to make the population immune. However a Department of Health and Social care spokesperson said that Sir Patrick's comments had been misinterpreted. "Herd immunity is not part of our action plan, but is a natural by-product of an epidemic."

Additionally, more than 200 behavioural scientists have also questioned the government's argument that starting tougher measures too soon would lead to people not sticking to them. "In fact, it seems likely that even those essential behaviour changes that are presently required (e.g., handwashing) will receive far greater uptake the more urgent the situation is perceived to be. Carrying on as normal for as long as possible undercuts that urgency."

(Full article on BBC website.)

Just saw a virus expert from Cambridge University on TV who said categorically that everyone will get it. They are just trying to slow down the infection rate so there won't be a surge on the NHS all at once.

correct chestnut but there are people who have heads in the sand as always

And people acting like headless chickens. Keep clean and carry on.