Pandemic panic

Labaik - I dont think just being in a meeting will spread virus unless they were coughing or sneezing on her. Three weeks ago our friend (73) sat with a person for an hour who was already cv positive although she didnt know it then. She is a chiropodist and did our friends feet. PHE were supposed to get in touch to advise but they didn't. Our friend with health issues has been fine as has her friend aged 80 who also had feet done. I think they need to show symptoms to spread virus.

From what I've read you are more contagious prior to showing symptoms. What I'm trying to point out is they don't know if they should send the children to school tomorrow etc. At the end of the day none of us actually know do we?

Labaik
Don’t worry if your family think you’re always gloomy, because you can come on here for support and friendship. We may all have our differences of opinion on other subjects, and it is quite right that we do, it wouldn’t do for us all to be the same, but we can and will support each other during this, or any other crisis. We are a family, stretched across the UK and indeed the world, a family of Gransnetters.

Labaik - that's not what I read. Chiropodist was one of first cases in uk she was one of the skiing party and brought it back home. Went back to work day after flying back and had no symptoms. It was only when one of the ski party contacted her and husband to say three of party were cv positive that she got tested. By that time she had treated ? number of people. I only know of two who are both ok. Chiropodist didn't think she had it until test came back positive a week after returning.

The Austrian government is limiting people’s movement nationwide.

Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said on Sunday that there should be only three reasons for people to leave home: essential work, essential purchases such as food, and helping other people.

People will be able to go out “only alone or with the people with whom [they] live in their apartment”.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-austria-update-symptoms-gatherings-ban-latest-a9402866.html

There have been 2 deaths from coronovirus in Austria. The UK which has a population about 7 or 8 times that of Austria, has had at least 35 deaths - and what are we doing?

This is very sad, only 59 and from nailsea in north somerset

www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/covid-19-coronavirus-death-named-3952674

what are we doing varian? Many of us are doing our best to isolate ourselves. It is down to each and everyone of us to help ourselves. Self-help

I agree craftyone & thank you for your earlier posts about ACE inhibitors which have been very helpful.

There is a very worrying post on another forum about someone's wife who is in her mid thirties, works in the health service, very fit and healthy but suffering really badly with the virus. I wish people would realise just how bad the virus can be even if you're not old or ill.

I believe the virus mutated in Italy or so I heard. An unknown virus is always going to be a bit of a lottery. We can only be thankful that is doesn't affect everyone like that and most people have it mildly. It could be so much worse if it made everyone extremely ill, including children.

I have been on Twitter, which I dislike, but I think that tomorrow is going to be a very interesting day. Not in a good way.

It’s not just on China though

Other countries could have stopped accepting flights.

They didn’t until weeks later

This virus does scare me in that if becoming mildly ill and being at home, it is going to be very nasty for over 60s. It `eats` the mucus membranes in the lungs and it travels to the kidneys through those facilitated ACE pathways and more. We would feel grotty. I haven`t emphasised enough that ibruprofen helps to form that ACE pathway so do NOT take it unless of course you are absolutely isolated and certain that you cannot have the virus and only ever on a full stomach. Paracetamol is perfectly good, saline solutions help so do gargle, I also use a neti pot with cooled boiled water and salt. Anything lurking is likely to be washed away

Being very careful at home is also important, to avoid trips, falls, scalds, not to have to go to A&E. Have a small space at home where you can keep those comfort things to reach into if you get ill, the paracetamol, plasters etc I have a small drawer in a chest in my bedroom sucking sweets and so on

About china, weeks back I put a post up about potentials coming from china. It was deleted thanks to someone complaining and calling it racist, I hope they are proud of themselves. I almost stopped writing any more about coronavirus, people would have known much more and much earlier

craftyone I’ve read somewhere that zinc tablets can boost the immune response & I’ve got some combined zinc/vitamin C in stock just in case.
Would you agree with that or is it a health myth?

yes absolutely. I take 1000mg time release every day just now, D3 with K2 and I suck a zinc if I ever feel a prickly throat. These are my must haves and I stocked up a couple of weeks ago. I use a prof site but also this site which I rate very highly and they send quickly

www.oxfordvitality.co.uk/

time release vit c or spread smaller strength tabs during the day as excess is excreted via urine

crikey I am writing too fast, to get the info out

time release vit c, plus D3and K2, plus zinc tablet. No need for a special zinc lozenge, the tablet works

I am in the garden all day from now, I always try to do positive, uplifting things and today I am oiling a wooden bench, it needs two coats plus I am dabbing hammerite paint onto rusty bits on a metal plant stand

If you need hobby or repair stuff then get it orderedbefore we are at a standstill. We need things to do

Thanks so much Craftyone

Just a warning to all those taking supplements. They can react adversely with existing medications. Check with your doctor first. I am having chemo and my oncologist does not advise any supplements. Also some do not mix with my DH’s blood pressure medications.

I think Craftyones posts are the most reasoned and informative on this subject, thank you.
I too have had the hammerite out, painting some wrought iron garden stuff.

Where do you get your information from Craftyone Do you have a nutritional or medical qualification?

Yes I popped in to see if Craftyone had replied to you GG.

Craftone

Can I say I have found a ' fellow traveller' and agree with your posts wholeheartedly.

I have repeated on the copious threads on COVID 19 I have Bronchiectasis /COPD and other health issues so I ' accept' I am in the At Risk Grouping and I have self isolated for 2 weeks now, I say self isolated but I have hubby for shopping etc. and he has chosen to do as I do for my health.

I agree 100% when you say ' Many of us are doing our best to isolate ourselves. It is down to each and everyone of us to help ourselves. Self-help'

The ' At Risk Group' is common sense to understand as to who and why they are classed as such, if they cannot think pragmatically then I despair.

Most of us with COPD will know first hand what it is like, how totally terrifying what not being able to breath is like.

I think it is up to us to support each other as far as we can, in addition to helping ourselves. Some will find it difficult to self isolate because of individual circumstances.

With regard to Vitamin and food supplements, I am a bit boring in this respect and would prefer only to take things for which I have a proven deficiency (non so far), and that there is good evidence that they are effectual and safe.

Further up thread there was some discussion about ACE inhibitor drugs (eg Ramipril, Lisinopril) and some articles suggesting a possible effect of making severe complications of Covid 19 infection more likely. As I take this, I messaged my GP surgery to seek advice. I got a very quick reply from my own GP as follows, which is very clear:

"This is the current guidance.
This speculation about the safety of ACE-i or ARB treatment in relation to COVID-19 does not have a sound scientific basis or evidence to support it. Indeed, there is evidence from studies in animals suggesting that these medications might be rather protective against serious lung complications in patients with COVID-19 infection, but to date there is no data in humans.

The Council on Hypertension of the European Society of Cardiology wish to highlight the lack of any evidence supporting harmful effect of ACE-I and ARB in the context of the pandemic COVID-19 outbreak.

The Council on Hypertension strongly recommend that physicians and patients should continue treatment with their usual anti-hypertensive therapy because there is no clinical or scientific evidence to suggest that treatment with ACEi or ARBs should be discontinued because of the Covid-19 infection"

Thank you for the evidence based clarity GrannyLaine.
and well done your GP.