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MissAdventure Wed 18-Mar-20 17:36:36

I have had an email from the school which seems to be paving the way to telling me that the school is likely to close, or perhaps partially close.

My grandson and his friends inform me that it will be happening on Friday.

Just thought I would let people know, and of course, that's my interpretation only.

trisher Thu 19-Mar-20 11:44:20

So parents apparently are unable to supervise their children Yvon? Makes you realise what a valuable job teachers and all staff in schools and nurseries do doesn't it?

gillybob Thu 19-Mar-20 11:45:54

rant away GardenofEngland . We are in very worrying times.

Phoebes Thu 19-Mar-20 11:46:47

I don’t understand why people have it in for teachers. I was one all my life and it’s very hard work.
It was the government’s decision to close the schools, not the teachers who would have soldiered on in the face of extreme difficulty.
Do people really think that teachers really want all those hard years spent preparing pupils for exams go to waste? Most of them must be devastated and will continue trying to tutor the children on-line which will involve a lot of preparation and marking.
Nobody wants to see schools close, but it is a necessity for the sake of public health.

gillybob Thu 19-Mar-20 11:49:41

I don't think anyone "has it in for the teachers" Phoebes . As you say it was the governments decision to close the schools. Personally I am not sure it was the right decision as I can already see groups of older children hanging around the streets.

trisher Thu 19-Mar-20 11:53:17

FFS you cannot have children in school when staff numbers are dropping, it is simply unsafe. It is also one way to slow down the rate of infection. It is not some sort of conspiracy to give teachers a long holiday or make working parents' lives more difficult.

merlotgran Thu 19-Mar-20 12:11:33

Teachers are not childminders.

Chaitriona Thu 19-Mar-20 12:13:11

I have just read an article on death rates with coronovirus. Much higher in Italy than in other countries. Correlates with the number of elderly who are infected. Much lower in Germany probably because it is so far circulating there among younger people. Of course it is everyone’s choice and I know the financial penalties may be very pressing for many parents. But it suggests it is probably best for grandparents not to take on looking after grandchildren in this current situation.

gillybob Thu 19-Mar-20 12:18:32

and what about families with children of different ages. Are we assuming that they have a computer each?

My theory about the reason this virus has spread wider in Italy is because the Italians are far more touchy feely/kissing people. No doubt I will be accused of being racist for saying this.

Coco51 Thu 19-Mar-20 12:21:09

Desperately sad not to be able to have DGD for Friday sleepovers and seeing her twin brothers on Saturday. My daughter will work from home and look after the children at the same time. I am in a high risk group and DD is worried that the children will pass on germs. I thought maybe that if we were isolated for 14 days and she and the children also isolated for the same period that the risk would be greatly reduced, but her husband is an electrician and has to work in the public arena. Just going to have to grit our teeth and make the most of facetime

wallers5 Thu 19-Mar-20 12:23:47

Hard for full time working parents!

faye17 Thu 19-Mar-20 12:34:35

We'll said Sheila 11

Redgran18 Thu 19-Mar-20 12:35:51

Just listened to Gavin Williamson on BBC Breakfast about school closures.

So, he’s shutting them all down except for children whose parents are “ key workers”, children who are vulnerable because of child protection issues( proved or not, according to him) and special schools. All these schools will be open over the upcoming Easter holidays , too. Apparently , legislation will be put before Parliament very soon to do this.

Hang on, mister, who are you asking to make this work? In two working days to start on Monday?

So “ key workers’” kids will be decided, apart from the obvious, by head teachers.
Decisions will be made , he’s not clear how, about whether those kids will go to the same schools they are at now or “ hub “ schools . If it’s not the same, how do they get there and back? How is their work transferred ? How do they pick up their work with teachers they don’t know and who don’t know them? How is the risk they pose as symptomless virus carriers managed?

Oh, don’t worry the heads will sort it. In two days. The heads who have been saying for years that they can’t even run their own schools properly because of chronic underfunding . Where from? Ten years of Tory austerity.
Need them now, don’t we?

And why are teachers, who almost certainly have at least one of babies/ elderly parents / pregnant wives at home , who are all in a high risk category, expected to juggle all of this and put themselves on the line when they are already working at full stretch? And then take the virus home? They can barely cope with a normal teaching load, which isn’t normal anyway because of the massive underfunding from ten years of Tory austerity.
Need them now, don’t you?

Those schools are going to stay open during the Easter holidays. Eh? How? Presumably the staff can be forced to do this. When , if they are not sick or self isolating , they need that rest to recharge ? But they can’t have it.

Need them now, don’t we?

Special schools. These look after incredibly fragile children and if these kids have an EHCP , they can stay at school. They often require very high levels of staffing, Williamson was saying the law will be changed so this is no longer a requirement. So, doesn’t this put them at risk at school?

And, unlike most kids ,they are much more vulnerable to the consequences infection but will be exposed to it daily when staff come in , possibly after having been on public transport , from living in a household where the staff’s own family might be unseen carriers , where the other kids who go to the same school will bring their myriad of germs in . Wtf?

Oh, and where’s all the support that they had in the past at home? Constantly eroded and eventually completely cut by a a Tory government who doesn’t think they need it! Till now. When it no longer exists .

And their teachers? Why are they deliberately being exposed to these risks and their families are dispensable when everyone else is told to self distance?

Oh , don’t worry says Gavin. Teaching staff will work closely with the Health Service and Local Authorities to manage all this. Oh yeah, they’re sitting around waiting for a job like this as they are so bored ! Er, the same agencies that have been on their knees for years, imploding as all the welfare stare collapses around them after ten years of deliberate targeted underfunding by a Tory government. These resources do not exist.

Need them now, don’t we?

I could say the same about the NHS, the police, the fire brigade, the military, social worker, prison officers.. on and on. And everybody who has been forced to work on shitty contracts and so can’t look after their own kids and keep food on the table at the same time.

The Tories have shat all over all these dedicated people from a great height for ten years and now they need them to rescue us . And we all know that , as always , they will do their best. But it absolutely stinks.

Maybe there is such a thing as society?

Bijou Thu 19-Mar-20 12:36:29

What about those children of poorer families who rely on free school dinners?

sodapop Thu 19-Mar-20 12:42:07

It is going to be very difficult for parents of children with complex needs. They don't have the necessary support at home to care for their child 24/7. So many knock on effects from this .

Elegran Thu 19-Mar-20 12:44:40

While school is a very useful institution for keeping children coralled and occupied (as well as educated) don't forget that each person with the virus who is in unrestricted contact with others can spread it to 406 people in 30 days.

Each school class has 20-25 pupils, a playground has hundreds, all interacting with each other. An infected teacher could be facing dozens of different classes per week. Like everyone else, they will be infectious before they are aware that they have it.

All other places where people are massed together have been closed. Of course schools are closed too. How could they not be?

faye17 Thu 19-Mar-20 12:51:23

Peppa 22
I was thinking the same - small hardships I know in comparison with the threat of the virus but I'm already missing the hugs of our only little baby grandson.... Can't help wondering how he'll understand our sudden physical absence

gillybob Thu 19-Mar-20 12:52:45

But what are the children no longer at school (the ones who's parents don't matter) supposed to do for the months they are off? Sit in their rooms all day, watch TV? After all they can't play sport, visit the cinema, shopping malls etc.

Traceyac Thu 19-Mar-20 12:56:40

I work in a school doing 16 hours a week on a 1 hour contact i don't know what am going to do for money my heart is breaking yes i already get help (benefits) and I'm not entitled to any more looks like we are going to eat pasta with veg and beans on toast if i can get any!!! Going to have to be creative

winterwhite Thu 19-Mar-20 13:01:35

Good post, Redgran.

MissAdventure Thu 19-Mar-20 13:01:56

Schools aren't meant for childminding duties, it's true, but why would a parent not take the opportunity to work whilst their children are out of the house (particularly those who have a low income, because the 'help' with childminding is inadequate)

allule Thu 19-Mar-20 13:04:29

Some people are going to suffer much more financially than others. I think some MPs are proposing giving everyone a basic income, and reclaiming it via tax on people who are not going to lose out.
This seems the best idea.

Brigidsdaughter Thu 19-Mar-20 13:12:25

Schools should be closed. These are exceptional times. Life or death. More unknown than known.
Most families - I'd expect- won't have their children mixing, let alone running mad in shopping centres, etc

It's not just about surviving/ dying.
I had a son who had complex issues, lots of illness and I spent weeks in hospital him, including two stretches in ICU where he was ventilated.

Survival for many is going to hell and back too. You dont want to see anyone suffer.

Madmaggie Thu 19-Mar-20 13:17:21

Apologies if anyone has already posted this info but my daughter is a teaching assistant currently on maternity leave. She has posted on FB offering her online support to parents who might be struggling to know how to continue what is effectively home schooling (she's not a qualified teacher but is experienced within a secondary school) she says it's not much but she's just trying to do her bit. Anyway she's suggested some safe online sites and I thought I'd share these with you - every little helps especially if you are providing child care. BBC Bitesize; Quizizz; Quizlet; Memrise; Kahoots and her favourite Seneca. The school where she works are still offering the pupils online support, the staff are distraught, the decision out of their control. I have a dear friend who lives in Rome, the situation there is grim, TV reports just don't show their reality. So stay safe.

newnanny Thu 19-Mar-20 13:18:45

GCSE and A Level exams are not postponed, they are cancelled and for A level the grades predicted on UCAS application will be used and for GCSE exams teacher predictions based on mocks if available/coursework. There will be appeals precess for those not happy with their grade given. Students could always choose to re-sit if still not happy.

geekesse Thu 19-Mar-20 13:32:09

newnanny, that is not strictly correct. The exam boards and Ofqual have not yet decided how exam grades will be awarded. Everything is on the table, from rescheduled exams to estimated grades, reviews of student work and statistical analysis. They will notify us when a viable plan is agreed.