Excuses

Gagajo I dont blame you one bit. Stay indoors keep your family safe. Everyone is apparently being very sensible and observing the rules? Well not here they're not!! Grandchildren running up and down the cul de sac visiting grandparent. Daughter stood at end of drive next to mother. Neighbours out walking never seen them walking before. Family dropping off food and handing bags over on doorstep. One guy walking his little dog 3x today.
That's just today Sunday.... got to go out shopping tomorrow because I cant get my ocado shop it's still stuck in its basket awaiting a delivery slot and counting. Need to shop for elderly parents and I'm dreading it but needs must. My little dog exercising in back garden with DH . Feel Lucky to have one - and a garden of course.
Keep your spirits up gagajo

What is WRONG with people

I am interested to know why someone who flew home from overseas and did not self-isolate away from her family, especially saying she had a cough, should question others who are going for their daily walk, well away from others, buying essential food and observing the rules?



I am not going anywhere neither is my DH because I am in lockdown. But someone will kindly do our shopping (we hope) and put it on the doorstep, retreat down the path and stop for a chat.
That means they have been OUT.

Would you rather I had waited until I had nowhere to go (my school closed down) and then demand that I was repatriated at the UK's expense Callistemon? FFS. NOWHERE was in lockdown (other than Lombardy) when I left. AND I developed the cough AFTER I got home.

If you're going to castigate me and drag up the past, at least get it right. I developed the cough after I'd been home a couple of days. And I think it was psychosomatic because it lasted a couple of days then went away again.

I don't have issues with people shopping. Of course not. I'm glad we haven't had to and are fortunate enough to have had deliveries. I know not everyone is lucky enough.

I have a friend who has been following those rules for 3 weeks and who has now developed the virus. So those rules clearly don't work. She's in her 30s and hopefully will be OK. But most of us on here aren't. Bleating 'But I followed the rules!' won't help then.

I think GagaJo, if you had not come on here berating people who were actually following what the government had told them to do, people would have been kinder about how they replied. I'm still not sure why you think people should follow your rules as opposed to the government ones?

You shouted the odds about how others were behaving, when in fact they were doing the right thing. What did you expect?

Aren't you worried that the food you're getting delivered is contaminated? After all, someone had to pack it and deliver it. Anyone within that process could have had the virus but been showing no symptoms.

Surely if you're going to totally self isolate then you have to cease all physical contact with the outside world.

I caught it (well I had all the symptoms). I'm definitely not bleating about following the rules. Whether we like it or not this virus will affect millions of us. The rules are there to slow the spread not to stop it completely.

I'm not engaging with you GGMK3. You just want an argument. Look elsewhere.

Yes, Vampirequeen, I am. We leave our groceries for 3 days before unpacking.

I bleach wipe the chill/frozen packaging.

Basically, I do everything I can. If I still get it, I've done my best.

Where do you leave them for 3 days? Doesn't the frozen stuff defrost? If you're taking it out of the bag on the day of delivery then the virus could be on the bag. You cannot avoid this virus all together.

As I said, I do everything I can. We leave the groceries in the bags in a porch to a door we don't use.

The frozen etc, I bleach wipe down before putting in the freezer (read on here AND double checked, the virus can live for up to 2 years if frozen). Then wash hands VERY well. Then take clothes off (usually wear yesterdays clothes for this task), wash hands and get dressed again.

There is a whole thread about this somewhere on here.

Yes, I'm aware there is ALWAYS some risk. But we have minimized it as much as possible. After that, it's in the lap of the gods.

I'm so confused......Gagajo, pleased to hear you are well, and everyone else.......

But what on earth has all the backbiting been about? I thought that this group was meant to be a group of grandmothers, with a remit for discussion and support.

I'm guessing that everyone is a bit more jumpy and sensitive than usual.......

Would you rather I had waited until I had nowhere to go (my school closed down) and then demand that I was repatriated at the UK's expense Callistemon? FFS.

I don't really mind one way or the other Gagjo, I have no preference whether you waited or came home.

What shocked me was that you got off a plane and went straight home and cuddled your little grandson.

That was irresponsible in the extreme.

There is no need to swear. I am not the one being unreasonable.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 06-Apr-20 12:34:54

Absolutely, GracesgranMK3

Please, the holier than thou stance you are taking, Gagajo, has no legs to stand on.

SallyB392 you may not have read the whole saga.
And I would assume you may not want to anyway.

Gagajo and I still really really want to know how your friend got a test to confirm that she has or had the virus.
Please.

My family who are working in a hospital on the frontline do have the PPE, thank goodness, but have not been able to get a test, having been ill with something a little while ago.
Knowing it was the virus would bring peace of mind as they may have developed immunity.

If you could tell me how she got a test, I would be grateful.

I think Gagajo said she was in Spain.
Urmstongran might be able to tell us if things are different there regarding testing.
But regarding your return from Switzerland, Gagajo did you not say that the director of your school tested positive shortly after your return?
This must have rung alarm bells as we are told that a person can be infectious for up to 5 days before any symptoms appear.
That is why some of us were amazed that you returned to hug your grandson without a period of quarantine.
Bearing this in mind, should you be so judgemental of others who are not in fact breaching any rules but just not doing as you would want them to.
It sounds like a clear case of “Do as I say, not as I do/did? “

Hot and cold Callistemon. As I said to another poster a week or so ago, if you're rude to someone, don't expect a favourable response later.

Same message to you Maw. I'm very familiar with dealing with bullies, as a teacher. Not intimidated by any of you. At all.

As a teacher myself I am conscious that asking you to justify your hectoring attitude is not bullying but an attempt to encourage you to modify your intemperate comments when you have no right to be so judgemental of others.

My initial comment was three sentences and directed at no one in particular. What you two are doing has run through several comments on several different threads.

Fair enough, you disagree. NO problem making that point. That is what happens on a public forum. But to make the same personal comment, SEVERAL times, to gang up and THEN expect a polite answer from someone you assume will be intimidated by you (erroneously) is bullying.

So you are free to feel you have the moral high ground, if you wish. But I can assure you, I am not intimidated. If you continue, GNHQ will, with NO intervention/feedback from me, end up deleting either your posts or the thread as a whole, as they did with the Wuhan thread.

Wow you are really rude GagaJo,absolutely no need for it!

You have an anger problem!

A lesson I learnt many years ago was that I have no control over other people.

Perhaps step back a bit and take a look at yourself,you are the problem,not everyone else.

heath480, not that I suggest you do because it’d be boring, but if you were so inclined, a search of the ongoing attacks from this pair would show a different story.

I'm not bullying you at all Gagajo. I am querying and asking questions.

However, I do not like obfuscation, being lectured by people who do not follow the rules themselves and do appreciate answers to questions arising from anecdotal evidence.

I have never been rude to you Gagajo
If you wish to produce evidence of that claim please do so.

In fact, Gagajo I have been supportive of you as you went through your various dilemmas and problems on GN, from whether to go to work in China, how to deal with your little DGS and other problems for which you sought help.

Obviously not appreciated and a complete waste of time and effort.
How unfair.

Being horrible to people lowers your immunity.