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Notanan2 your post of 18:26 isn’t entirely correct. My dd will be a qualified doctor next Friday. She supplies her own scrubs because the hospital doesn’t stock items small enough for her. She takes them home to launder because she’d never get them back if they went into hospital laundry.

That is actually exactly what I did say.

As the laundry is sent out to centralised commercial laundries you never get your item back. You only send and recieve like for like items which are actually owned/supplied by the laundries in the first place

That is why they dont do uniforms or ant items allocated to or belong to a specific person.

notanan what a charmer you are.

And also why they wont be taking anyones custom made scrubs.

May as well be un uniform.

Both have to be washed at home. But the poster saying they may be for the volunteers or returners may have a point

notanan what a charmer you are.
gonna go with that instead of "sorry for confusing you with another poster, my mistake?"
Okay!

I haven’t a clue what you are talking about which I suppose rather bears out your unpleasant remark

Okay slower then

"notanan unclear why I should cease political sniping as you put it?"

You miss-quoted me/mistook me for another poster.

Again. I didnt say "political sniping"
I didnt say anything about politics to you. At all.

You made a mistake when you addressed my directly as if I had

Got it yet? Cause I'm not using big words here?

Scrubs were originally worn in operating theatres, changed into prior to going in to theatre and changed out of before re-entering ward areas. The used items were bagged and sent to the hospital laundry. This still applies in larger hospitals as part of good infection control. SueDonim I take your point about your DD if she struggles to find appropriately sized hospital wear. I can't agree about scrubs being "summer wear". Their use is determined by the type of working environment: critical / intensive care units, delivery suites etc where formal uniform isn't always appropriate. But in all my working life, I never took scrubs home to launder

I can't agree about scrubs being "summer wear". Their use is determined by the type of working environment

Yes and in operating theatres they are worn under full length plastic gowns so cant be too hot

Being used in summer is not the primary reason they are cool, but they are deliberately cool for a good clinical reason. Cant have people fainting into opened up people in operating theatres

The type of areas where full length PPE would be used already wear scrubs not uniforms.

Most fabrics you would have aroubd the house that are that thin/cool would also be a bit see through. Which would be no good in professional settings. And most the fabrics thick enough to be dignified are under hot full PPE

At the hospital where my dd is based everyone who has close contact with patients is currently wearing scrubs. My dd has told me this and I’ve seen it for myself in the photos on social media. No one is wearing regular uniform.

NotananIt's really nothing to do with temperature as in critical clinical areas, the temperature is carefully controlled. Infection control is the important thing. They are cheap and easily changed in areas where things get messy. In theatre, it would only be the surgeon, assistant & scrub nurse who wear full length sterile protection. All others in theatre would just wear clean scrubs

No idea what is worn where, but part of our business is protective clothing and masks. Since end of January the supply chain has been overwhelmed. Even before the WHO declared a pandemic and were still saying human to human transmission was low.

Most Governments realised the urgency of the matter.

The point is that the TYPE of scrubs that can go back to the landries have to be the same universal kind that can be sent back out to anywhere.

Non standard ones = home laundering

Laundries

This came up just now on other social media.

I havent known what to think then I watched a podcast with virologists, public health docs, GPs etc. discussing and explaining. The bottom line is that local public health services cannot cope, plus the govt has not wanted to learn from experience of other countries, so hotbeds of infection are still being ignored, e.g. multi occupied places where the virus is all over communal areas paintwork, banisters, lift buttons, doors, etc. Its obviously a big risk but many people have not twigged and there are no guidelines for staying safe in these places. If we personally understand these issues better, we might be able to protect ourselves. It's on YouTube, it's called COVID REPORT 08 04 20. Think it is the first in a series discussing aspects of the problem.

Sorry this should have been posted in the thread about people not feeling safe. Apologies for posting it here by mistake, just ignore....

Care home worker tells me they have run out of plastic aprons and now have only paper ones and no masks.

Mother of a nurse on an Covid ward is in a craft group who are sewing scrubs which are vitally needed. The fabric must be washable at 60degrees. Polycotton with 65% polyester is preferred.

notanan; can I just ask you this regarding masks. Dr John Campbell in his excellent blog says that masks will not prevent someone from catching the virus. However it will prevent someone who is asymptomatic from infecting others if they cough or sneeze in eg a supermarket as it will stop the droplets from spreading so far. Which makes sense to me and why I am convinced that we should all be wearing masks when out and about [and am pretty sure we will all be doing so soon as the public tend to be way ahead of the government when it comes to this crisis].

Labaik that refers to surgical masks not filter masks.

In some , SOME cases where people have been saying "we have no PPE" what they mean is they have no filter masks (and full lengtg gowns and visers).

Because they dont consider ordinary gloves, gowns, surgical masks to be PPE. As someone said upthread, they are not what you see on telly!

And even then, if not used properly and taken OFF outside of contact areas/activities, they cause more risks than they prevent.

I have seen people driving their cars alone in surgical masks. That is just dangerous.

Im not saying we wont run out of PPE. I believe some London hospitals are getting to that point now. But it was actually oxygen that ran out first.

Posters asked for help deciphering the truth about whether there has been PPE or not in light of conflicting reports. I think what has been happening is people werent given it because it wasnt appropriate for their tasks, and they felt they wanted it at all times for reassurance. But its a false reassurance if used inappropriately.

Its like when carehome managers went to the press to say they were issued no PPE. Care homes have PPE. They use it all the time, there are messy jobs in care homes!

What they dont have is what they see on the telly, what ITU doctors use. But nobody is going to be intubated in a care home.

If they have in patients with trachys they would already have visers in stock (or they should have had, if they never bothered before then that is bad management)

Staff who have what I'll call first line PPE are not condisering that "PPE" now. Some people only want full filter masks and gowns for all tasks, which is unsafe and adds to risks if used too much and inappropriately. so its difficult to detangle that from actual experience of stock IYKWIM

The non fancy basic PPE is in some ways better in that it can easily be changed/discarded between tasks. And you dont risk contaminating your hands as much when taking it off

I'm sorry but that doesn't answer my question which was if an asymptomatic person is wearing a mask in a supermarket and they sneeze/cough is it possible that the mask will prevent them passing the virus on to other people around them [in the way that we are advised to cough into a tissue etc]. And, if so would it not be a good idea. Germany provides masks in supermarkets for people and, this far, they seem to be dealing with the pandemic far better than we are.