NHS staff can refuse to treat C19 patients if they do not have the correct PPE

Not what Paddyanne believes Granny - what staff across the NHS and the care sector are telling us. There is no debate to be had, no questioning of perspective - it’s as Pikachu rightly says.

I'm certain some workers in the US refused to treat patients with covid-19 because of the risks involved- Period-

Others certainly did due to shift stacking and lack of equipment-

The majority showed up regardless-

SirChenjin

" There is no debate to be had, no questioning of perspective "
It would be rather pointless to have a forum where that is the premise.
I agree with Pikachu in her comment, but the massive dilemma that exists for nursing and medical staff is that to NOT immediately rush to help another human being is totally counter intuitive and requires a whole other thinking process. Whether PPE is in short or plentiful supply, there is still the time factor in putting it on correctly. In the current unprecedented situation it is vital that health workers DON'T go into a situation that puts their life at risk.

Individuals in the community where I live are sitting at home sewing scrubs, scrub's bags and headbands for the local hospital. I can't sew, but I made a donation to fund the materials so I do know it's happening.

It's like a cottage industry has been started to provide what the government failed to plan for and it's all rather shameful after a working party in 2016 warned the Government to be prepared for such an occurrence.

It may be counter intuitive to some but it’s not a perspective, it’s a right, and there’s a vast difference. I’m glad to see that the RCN is very clear in their stance so that the potential for it simply to come down to perspective is removed. My DD is 20 and will start on the frontline this week - she will be following that RCN guidance and it will not be up one person’s perspective to decide whether she continues in an unsafe environment without the correct PPE or not. I will absolutely support that and no health or care worker should be castigated for having a different ‘perspective’ and not following RCN guidelines.

I agree ,but why go in and possibly carry the virus around.

SirChenjin
Crikey you seem to have chucked all my individual words into a bag and picked one or two out at random with no context!
My original use of the word 'perspective' was in reply to Paddyanne's comment about whether she believed the NHS or Hancock /Patel. Truth isn't absolute in that context, there are truths on both sides in my opinion
In your haste to castigate, you have totally misconstrued my thoughts on the RCM guidance and position statement. This is clear but they have not gone far enough to help in the ethical dilemma of putting one's own safety before the urgent and compelling needs of another. That part requires almost a military mindset. A nurse was speaking of exactly this on TV yesterday, saying how difficult it is to see a patient collapsed or vomiting but to have to don cumbersome PPE first before rushing to their aid. I really can't put it more clearly than that.

I understand perfectly what you said about perspective in response to paddyanne and I’m well aware that you don’t believe that the truth from the BMA et al is absolute.

Well that's a result then.

Good. I'm pleased they have been given tis advice. I do hope that they are supplied with enough PPE but I don't think it will happen soon unfortunately.

Indeed.

Date: April 13, 2020Author: johnrobertson834 6 Comments

Sourced by Clydebuilt our Investigative Radio Correspondent

On Morning with Kay Adams at 09.40 this morning we heard from Donald Macaskill, CEO Scottish Care. He stunned Kaye and the listeners with this:

‘We are facing an additional problem and that is that the care home sector and the care sector had traditionally ordered PPE from various sources. The four largest companies in the UK [sic] last week said they were not sending to Scotland and their priority was going to be England NHS and then English social care providers so within two or three days we’ve had a massive dry-up of procurement into Scotland and that’s had an impact, a really serious impact on our care homes and home care.’

A careworker in a home 2 miles from me died at the weekend with CV .Can you inagine how her family feels reading/hearing this or Ms Adams reply that Scotland should have different sources .These were the sources we have used for a long time why now is the english NHS deemed more important? Still better together ?

I could be wrong but my understanding was that these companies were selling on behalf of PHE and therefore could not supply in Scotland - and that we have our own suppliers paddyanne?