Neighbour breaking lockdown

I wouldn’t report them, it’s none of my business I agree it’s not right to do that, but at the end of the day they are adults. They aren’t in your house, I would only report things not that I’ve had to that affects our family, I think they are behaving like idiots though flouncing the rules

There seems to be a consensus that these people are not affecting anyone else but, they most certainly could be. The whole point of the social distancing is to protect the NHS but, it is also to save lives. Who do these people think they are that they have the right to put other people’s lives in danger? That is exactly what they are doing.

There is a dilemma though. I can quite see that falling out with the neighbours is something to be avoided, I have to be very honest and say that I am not sure what I would do in the circumstances.

Washerwoman
I know one thing it certainly changes your opinion of people
How I agree! The most distressing side effect (not comparable with the distress of the effects of the virus obviously) for me has been learning who flouts the rules and the reasons they give. I have noticed how some people are getting several deliveries, the local Student group, Sainsbury although they are not on the Government list, and more from local shops, taking walks with friends from other households and chatting to people close up when out. Whatever one might think about the need for the rules, and I know some people think they are unnecessary, the point is we are all asked to keep to them. It is not fair when a few people take advantage and live a comfortable life, almost a luxury life, while others are struggling and going without. I cannot go out but still cannot get a delivery slot. My health problems are borderline with the serious ones the government list and I won't go on the list as there are people more in need than I. So I am going without, in some cases items I would dearly like to have right now.

It has opened my eyes to those who are selfish and see themselves as more important than the rest of us.

As far as you question OP, whereas it is upsetting for you, I would be disinclined to report them. What would happen if you called out to them that they are not supposed to have visitors/visit other households when you see them arriving? I was asked to defend a 'friend's ire because she had been told-off by another for buying petrol. I wouldn't agree with her and said my car, new to me, has not been driven by me yet.

I do sympathise with you Bluenose10 (really? your nose isn't blue is it?). I can't stand these people who are so selfish.

I would not report them. I totally understand the concerns of everyone about the virus, but I instinctively fear the idea that we all start reporting on the behaviour of our neighbours. Surely this can only destroy relationships, possibly for ever. I would say if you are losing sleep over the risk posed to you then mention it to them directly - saying just that, in some tactful as possible way. Who would you report them to? The police in our area dont want to know about individuals in their own homes and gardens, they are busy dealing with groups of young people and businesses breaking the rules.

I am self isolating at home because my husband has the symptoms. I work for the police and have been taking covoid online complaints our force are visiting households that are not conforming to the government guidelines to advise them . Our local hospital has been in the news about the pregnant nurse who lost her life to the virus. I would ask yourself if words of advice could prevent the spread then what is the harm.

Until this pandemic touches them, people will NOT adhere to any rules or guidelines. I live in a large tower block community and the same people are out night and day in our gardens socialising, drinking and entertaining family members who have come to visit right down to babies in prams. The police seem to be powerless or just can't be bothered to move them on. This crisis is really showing people up in their true light. Plus I have 2 daughter's in law and a son working every day on the front lines. It's beyond selfish and ignorant.

I think the trouble is that although C19 is all over the news, many people don't know anyone who has had it let alone died from it. We were just saying last night that we are very distanced by it all and, in a way, it doesn't seem real. So, unless you have a real sense of "doing the right thing", which it seems a lot of people don't, you feel disconnected from it except from the loss of being able to visit your loved ones. At least we haven't got hordes of people demonstrating like they have in Michigan. The mind boggles.
I agree with M0nica and her quote is very apt.

Yes. Report them. I've reported ours and had no hesitation in doing so. Our local police force has a special page on their website to report such people so you don't have to ring up. They wouldn't have to know it's you that's reported them. To the person who says if they're both in isolation therefore the risks are small - WRONG! If they're not respecting their own and their families health, they'll have no qualms putting strangers at risk. I presume they'll be going shopping? Thus coming into contact with others, not to mention the goods they're handling, then spreading potential germs amongst each other! If one of them were to be hospitalised with the virus and a choice was to be made to treat them or you, would you rather it be them that gets saved, because they're younger than you?? When you've been adhering to the guidelines and they haven't? No. Report them! It makes me so angry how ignorant and irresponsible some people are being!!!

As long as they are not affecting you then leave them to it. It is their decision .
We have not seen our family since it started & I really envy my neighbour who's daughter & GC call round every day with shopping for him. They don't go inside but chat to him from the front garden while he stands at the door.
I'd just love to see my DGC & sons right now.
Plus I'm sure I am not alone in being fed up with having DH around all the time- I know he wants to get back to work too! I'm never going to let him retire after this!!

Got neighbours who do this too. Dont care if they have a bbq & music every afternoon although it is annoying when I cant sit in my garden. What I do not like is their friends & family all with small children happily crowding together in the garden. My lovely DiL works in Care. So think of her & all our NHS workers every time they do this. They know I do not like it as I shut windows very loudly, not something I do usually. If they do not care about themselves perhaps they & all other like them would spare a thought for my DiL as they may be putting her & NHS workers & their families at risk!

The thing about this that annoys the most is that the offenders don’t know (or don’t care) that they are doing anything wrong. For something that we are told is in the minority, people who have friends and family in their houses and gardens seems to be happening in a lot of places?

But the risk isn't theirs mainly.That is the whole point.More people in your home from other homes ,areas etc = increased risk of cross infection to the wider community.Someone comes that's asymptomatic but a super spreader carrying virus.Goes home.Infects who they have visited who then incubates for a few days at which time someone else a neighbour,friend pops in 'only for a little while 'Picks it up.Takes it back to their home,family,next shopping trip.And on it spreads. We can't be completely paranoid. We do need to shop as little as often if not shielded.We can talk to neighbours and people out on our exercise from a safe distance.We cant stop all contact but we can minimise it.Especially between households.
But still too many households think if it's only family, friends etc somehow it doesn't count.I'm seeing this first hand.

It really annoys me. My friends next door neighbour had a lot of family over on Easter Sunday. My friend is vulnerable so wouldn't even go into het garden that afternoon. As they was by her fence and her garden isn't very big. I have family living a few minutes from me but wouldn't dream of inviting them to my house. Speak to them for a few minutes when they've bought shopping down.but they stood outside the gate. And I stood indoors. Just think if government say only people who liver in your house should be in there. Then that's what should happen. Sorry rant over.

There is a good deal of misunderstanding of the concept of herd immunity.

To get herd immunity against measles, for example, 93% to 95% of people in a community have to be vaccinated.

It is not true to say that allowing a small number of the population to get the disease will help protect us all.

I see the point and it's annoying. How do you know they arent socially distancing in the garden tho?
I also have thought about the other posters that look after their grandchildren and I've considered this point too. I work in a nursery, still working for vunerable families and key workers, but yet I'm not "allowed" to see my new grandchild or my daughter to give her a much needed hug.
I drop shopping off for her as she's too scared to take him into shops.
I stand at the end of her drive and she in her doorway to chat, about 4/5metres away from each other.
What would the difference be if I sat in her garden the same way?
Not being contraversial but genuinely struggling with the "rules" and how they are interpreted.

I know someone who recently phoned police re. a neighbour who is running a repair business from home and having regular visits from customers. The police said they did not have time to attend as, if the neighbour said any visitors (who were there at the time they attended) lived at the house, they could not spend the time/effort disproving it. Police response might be different in different areas but, unless it's a large social gathering of unrelated people, in our area they could not spare the manpower.

I agree with Monica and think she has put a well worded balanced point of view.

Northernandproud Fri 17-Apr-20 10:00:48

OMG, that's truly horrible for Mr N and you. [love and hugs]

This perfectly illustrates how snitchers can get it so, so wrong with their overactive assumptions.

Possibly even worse, it indicates just how easy it is to turn a population into enthusiastic volunteer Stasi.

So no
Don’t report

Who knows if lockdown is the right approach
The scientists are floundering
It seems like slowing this down so that health care isn’t overwhelmed may be the right approach if that is the only aim. (The economy will be in tatters and its the poorest who will suffer)
But dd as a diabetic nurse has been told to see no patients, redeployed to the community, where she is frustrated by sheer lack of coordination and is sitting around twiddling her toes

We have the same situation here, one set of neighbours regularly has family round, most notably for Easter Sunday lunch, which made me feel especially sad and lonely.He also told me (from a distance) he’d been to visit a friend just out of hospital with Covid. They are the loveliest, most generous people, but I fear for them and the rest of us, as we all live in 6 connected properties facing a green on a converted farm.

The more you think about it, the more angry you become. I don’t think falling out with a neighbour is of any help at all. There will always be people who don’t do what they should and what is right but they are doing it in their own home.,,,it’s up to them to do the right thing, like us all they have had all the information. Try and let it go, it does you no good getting wound up.

Do not snitch.
.they arent in yr garden or house.
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It’s really annoying but I wouldn’t report them. We have neighbours doing the same (and not just family!) as well as others having gardeners, decorators & other tradesmen round. The risk is theirs, mainly, & you just have to hope the majority of us are doing the right thing. Some people never obey rules/laws ... keep safe!

northernandproud

I think there is a huge difference between seeing a neighbour driving out, and people obviously coming and going..
praying you and yours are all well ,very soon

I don`t know what I would do.

I live in a small close, urban, don`t know neighbours much, well life has changed so hasn`t it? everyone is or was out at work..

but I will chat if anyone wants to LOL
a neighbour 3 doors up, was clearly having a chat with someone in her front garden, she was hanging out the bedroom window, so I shouted over to her... and she explained, without my asking, that she was ill in bed and her ds coming to check up on her etc.. a few neighbours here clearly get food, shopping delivered... I stand at the bedroom window, or in the front garden, just to SEE another human being... I don`t think I would say anything to the police,, if there was a wild party going on , oh yes!

but I think, if I could, I would shout across to someone, just so`s they know... and well, I hate fallings out...