Tory election donors call on Boris Johnson to end 'harmful' lockdown

3nanny6
Millionaires are in many instances the one who gives the average person a job so he can feed his family and pay the mortgage.

Well I disagree sarah, we give them their millions. Its trickle up not trickle down

However that doesnt mean that they are going to start putting food in peoples childrens mouths if we dont end lockdiwn

And it doesnt mean that the right thing to do is always the opposite of what they say

Notanan2 your post from 14.28 just shows that you do not want to listen and I have got better things to do than listen to someone ranting that has a closed mind. Once again you are ranting about all the drugs deaths and their childrens deaths and ignoring the point that people are there trying to support them. So do not listen.

You seemingly want to get out into public again and not give a hoot that the country could so quickly go into the 2nd stage of rising deaths and the N.H.S could be completely overwhelmed in that case get all your appointments but they will probably be of no use to you if you get infected with covid 19

Sussexborn You should know by now that there are an awful lot of mind readers and confidantes of the famous (and infamous) on GN.

SaraHellenWhitney, and in the case of Richard Branson, avoid paying tax on his multi millions of profits. And then wanting handouts from his non existent taxes when the going gets tough.

but they will probably be of no use to you if you get infected with covid 19

Statistically I am more likely to get seriously ill from what I am not getting treatment for than I am to get seriously ill if I get CV19

Once again you are ranting about all the drugs deaths and their childrens deaths and ignoring the point that people are there trying to support them

No Im not. People "trying to support them" does not = business or usual or indeed best practice for their condition, no matter how hard ppl are working.

You seemingly want to get out into public again and not give a hoot that the country could so quickly go into the 2nd stage of rising deaths and the N.H.S could be completely overwhelmed

The 2nd wave is now looking like it'll be from non CV causes and due to lockdown. You are the one who doesnt seem to give a "hoot" about that!

It depends what you're not being treated for.

I'm T2 diabetic and I'm fully aware of the dangers of not treating it. However, I was diagnosed 30 years ago and I'm still doing OK. I don't really need the annual reviews because I take my own blood pressure and test my own blood glucose. I also follow a fairly strict diet and exercise. I have a pretty good idea what the results of the blood test, which has been postponed, would be.

If I were to be infected with Covid-19, there's (according to the tables I've seen) a 15% it would kill me. There's also news that the infection can do long term, permanent damage to the lungs and the kidneys. That's apart from not being in a fit state to earn any money for six weeks or so.

Given all the above, I'm more likely to get seriously ill (or dead) from Covid-19 than from the chronic conditions I have which aren't being treated.

Anyway ending lockdown isnt manditory.

Stay indoors for the rest of your life if you want to.

Let the rest of us work & thrive!

Given all the above, I'm more likely to get seriously ill (or dead) from Covid-19 than from the chronic conditions I have which aren't being treated.

But if lockdown ended, you could still stay in! Your treatments arent manditory! You could CHOSE not to go if you think your risks outweighed your benefits

How about aiming to reduce the level of infection, so that patients who require hospitalisation could be treated in isolation units?

That would mean that hospitals and other services could operate more or less as normal.

That won't happen if the country lifts restrictions too early without an element of moderation and control. Rates of infection would skyrocket, hospitals would be totally overwhelmed and hundreds of thousands of people would be dead.

So who would choose not to be locked down?

Shielding can continue without general lockdown.

So can telephone triages
Phone appointments for those that they work for
Social distancing
Etc.

Ending lockdown doesnt mean everyone is instantly forced out of their homes and made to lick each other or else

You can quit your job and see nobody if you want you would be free to do that

More like the rest of you would work and many would get sick and some would die!

So how does somebody who chooses to leave their job earn any money? Is the choice work or die?

Ending lockdown too late means rates of other emergencies skyrocket.

I have no idea how old you are or what your personal situation is notanan but I'm extremely grateful that you're not advising the government.

Have you been on the Domestos and Tonic again notanan?

So how does somebody who chooses to leave their job earn any money? Is the choice work or die?

People are already not earning because of lockdown.
Not everyone who is off work because of lockdown is furloughed.
People right now dont have enough to put food on the table.

Most ppl shouting for indefinite lockdowns have income sources that will sustain them but others dont. Would they be willing to swap places?

I have no idea how old you are or what your personal situation is notanan but I'm extremely grateful that you're not advising the government.

Are you also glad that cancer charities and other specialist doctors who are issuing these warnings, arent being heeded?

Lockdown is inflicted on the poor for the benefit of the privilidged.

People in HMOs, high rises, houseshares and hostels were never able to lockdown anyway.

Let them get back to work & having full health and social care.

House dwellers can stay home if they like..

Notanan2 post at 16.29.
Lockdown is inflicted on the poor for the benefit of the privileged.

Notanan2 now you are being silly. You know very well why lockdown was introduced and the reasons and seemingly it has worked successfully all we need now is some patience to keep going and keep the country safe.

Yes it is difficult for many people and hard to put food on the table but don't forget that the food banks are still there and are helping many. People have no shame to go to the foodbank these are drastic times and trying to stay alive is the most important.

I agree with lockdown being introduced
I do not agree with it being prolongued beyond the point where the risks of lockdown itself bypass the initial benefits.