I predict another rise of covid

notanan2
Normally I agree with you on pretty much everything you’ve said about Covid19, and I’m certain you’re right re the density of the population. Therefore, given that Britain has an extremely dense population, it seems to me that no lockdown would have been to accept the initial response from government, which was to aim for herd immunity and in doing so, accept the huge death toll that would have inevitably occurred. Many people are complaining about the current death toll, have much louder would the cries have been if the death toll was in the hundreds of thousands?
Therefore, whilst everyone can have an opinion, I think the suggestion that there should have been no lockdown was ‘idiotic.’

Callistemon I agree that you have been subject to unpleasant and personal attacks on here, where none were warranted at all.Time for some posters to back off and stick to general comments.

maddyone yes, totally agree.??

Pantglas2 Thanks for that info.I just think that more info of that sort would take a lot of the hysteria out of the arguments.

Of course Lizkat, but there are some people on these virus threads who want to use the hysteria to beat the Tory Government with, forgetting that Wales has been run by Labour since devolution. We’ve seen as many mistakes here as any in England!

It’s obvious the death rate from Covid rises as lockdown is eased, but the majority contracting the disease will survive. My worry is ‘ the cure being worse than the disease’ economic hardship increases the death rate, people have also had treatment for other illnesses postponed which will also increase the death rate, it’s a dreadful time for cancer sufferers.
Hospitals in the U.K. usually have very few spare beds at any time, but now capacity in some hospitals is down by 60%, I work in a hospital we were closed for 5 weeks over this Covid period, this would suggest that this disease hasn’t been as bad as we all expected.
I really do think it is time for people to return to work with social distancing measures in place, but I thing there will be many who won’t have a job to go back to and unemployment figures will rise which is a tragedy in itself.

Maddyone Im not saying that personally because personally I dont know.

I was just saying its a valid point of discussion. Would we be worse off without lockdown? I dont know?

And its hard to tell by compairing COUNTRIES because say in GB we count any "suspected covid" as a Covid death even if they never tested for it whereas other countries dont even count people who tested positive if it wasnt the primary cause of death.

So the only way to compare lockdown Vs no lockdown really is to look at countries with distinct semi autonomous regions like America, Australia, GB now that England isnt doing the same as Wales Scotland and NI, and larger eastern countries IYKWIM.

where regions and states are doing different things re lockdown but central gov is counting the same way IYKWIM

(also realise that that is STILL problematic as states may REPORT differently but its the best we have got to go on)

Part of me thinks that its arrogant of us to even think we are anything but helpless against these super organisms, and all we are doing is just to give us a SENSE of control when we have none...

Thats not to say dont do it but...

I still think some people are confused. Some people think it's ok to have family come through a back or side gate and distance themselves in back or front garden. But I believe you can only meet one other person outside your household meeting outside in a park, open space. But you can have a cleaner etc in your home. Doesn't make sense. Myself ill be mostly at home , going shopping once a week. And a hour exercise with my husband.

Some country parks are now reopening their car parks. People I know that live near to one have already been walking along roads because the parks are too full for proper distancing. I so hope I'm wrong but I'm sure we'll be in lockdown in a months time, especially as the government don't know if the 'R' number is 0.5 0r 9. If it is actually 9 we'll be in big trouble soon.

Nanny its not as if theyre saying that a cleaner isnt infectious but your sister is.

The point is you have to draw a line in the sand if you want reduced contact/transmission (Vs everyone isolated forever)

So work yes. Socialise no.
Doesnt mean that work is 100% safe and socialising is 100% risk. We're risk reducing. So only having some contact but not others

I simply do not understand why those opposed to the government do not seem to have any common sense. It astonishes me that people expect the government to be responsible for every decision we make individually. We are living in a very liberal democracy. We all know what is expected of us in order to avoid contracting the virus. For instance, I am approaching 86 and I know that people of my age are extremely vulnerable and so I take all necessary steps to protect myself. We are not living in Putin’s Russia where the government has absolute control over citizens lives. Some people moaning here may be seniors but they need to grow up!

Maddyone agree with your posts. It's wonderful how people can criticise in a crisis when their political party isn't in power. Easy.

i honestly think we should just use our common sense, if your out and about then of course you still keep your distance and possibly wear masks, is that too hard to understand

Anniel, I completely agree with your wise post

I made the comment, Callistomen because you seemed perfectly happy to downplay the number of deaths by sighing at people's inability to tell the difference between the total number of deaths and the deaths per capita. As if 50,000+ excess deaths is really not that bad. If I have misread your implication then I apologise.

(I didn't need the coven to join in, though.)

Marieeliz
Thank you.

notanan2
I still agree with the posts you have written (whilst I was out on my daily exercise.)

The clique is solidly in place Maizie.

Agreed granny gravy2.. there’s no cure for stupid ?my old gp has just died from covid wish people would get it through their heads this is a killer disease

It concerns me that restrictions are being relaxed when the crucial "r" value is not low enough. The estimates seem to be between 0.6 and 0.8. It is obvious that easing up will increase the "r" value and so restrictions should not be relaxed unless the measure is definitely less than 0.5. Otherwise there is a real danger that it will rise above 1.0, driving up the number of cases.

While I will not disagree that poorer, more disadvantaged, more densely populated areas may have a reason to have a higher incidence rate---Here in Hastings , which is in the 10% of most deprived areas in the country, we have a low 6 out of 100,000 cases--according to one of the links given earlier in this thread

Can I hold my 7 week old granddaughter? I am 70 and my husband is 78. Our daughter is very upset because we have, up to now reluctantly refused. Would be grateful for help on this matter.

Apology accepted MaizieD although that is not what I meant at all, it was merely your interpretation of my words.

However, at the end of two or three years, I fear the statistics could be far worse whatever we do. This virus is not seemingly dying out like SARS did, which we encountered when we were in Hong Kong.
SARS did return briefly after it was thought to have died out.

It's obvious from subsequent post in reply to you that I am not part of the coven

Never mind, I won't lose any sleep over it

Bonkey2, our new granddaughter is a similar age and we have not held her yet. I think that the official advice would probably be to keep your distance, and I think it is the wisest thing to do at the moment. My daughter wouldn't let us hold her if we tried, because of the risks involved. We don't know enough about this virus to be certain of how many ways it is transmitted, and there is the possibility that it could be transmitted to you via the baby. Your daughter would feel terrible if you or your husband caught it because you handled the baby. Better to wait until you are sure it's safe. I know it's hard.