I predict another rise of covid

The problem is notanan2 that any attempt to restrict the BAME would probably be seen as racism. They do need protection, but how?


nobody is saying that shielding comorbidities is disablist
Or very high bmis as fat shaming.
but sure, say we cant protect BAME people cause racism...

Perhaps that is because every NHS death receives MSM coverage whereas the majority of Covid deaths amongst the general public are not?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/07/black-people-four-times-likely-die-coronavirus-white-people/

Average GNer

Risk factors that affect white people: oh yes! we all agree we must protect the vulnerable. Absolutely. Do it no question

Risk factors that dont affect white people: ooo err but it wouldnt really be practical to shield them.... how would it work... maybe we should wait and see.... it might be tricky..

You sound as though this is very personal, notanan

You sound as though this is very personal, notanan

Does it have to be in order to care?
Nobody ummed and awed about the original lists of risk factors. Maybe because those were risk factors that can be personal to everyone.

When its a risk factor that isnt personal to every family, suddenly the will to protect the vulnetable deminishes.

Nobody said: lets wait for more data about how COVID causes death in the immune suppressed. Or questioned the practicalities of isolating/redeploying/furloughing people whove had recent heart ops etc..

but now that being BAME makes you more likely to die its all "oh but maybe we need more data, let a few more die so we can learm more first" and "is it really practical to shield those people^

Now then WWmk2 whichever way you look at it the U.K. has one of the highest, if not the highest mortality rates in the world

Not per capita. We are actually somewhere in the middle but don’t let facts spoil your left wing rant.

There have also been suggestions from some doctors/experts that certain blood groups are more susceptible, so do we shield those people as well?

notanan2
I am certainly not being flippant about the BAME deaths as you seem to think. I’m appalled by the high level of BAME deaths as I assume you are too.

There have also been suggestions from some doctors/experts that certain blood groups are more susceptible, so do we shield those people as well?

are you suggesting we shield nobody ?

The idea was to shield the most at risk
The origional shielding lists were based on early assumptions. The best we had at the time.
We now know otherwise. The hierarchy of risk is different to what was origionally thought.
There are now people shielding who have a lower overall risk than some front line workers.
The list needs to be adjusted.
Some would stay on it. Some would be removed. Some added.
But adjusting it for BAME risk as well would mean that the most at risk people would be shielded.

Suddenly though, GN are wailing that thats not practical. Okay well if we're not shielding the highest risk people, why shield anyone at all?

notanan2 you totally missed my point.......either all at risk are shielded or none.

No you miss the point.

The shielding list was never "all" at risk
It was alway those at highest risk.

and the hierarchy of risk was calculated back when we had less info to go on.

Now that we know more. It needs to change.

As long as the world remains overpopulated then pandemics will continue over the years because we treat the environment and animals so badly. There is no need for people to have any contact with bats etc. at all.

notanan Do you even know how risk factors work? I can't even be bothered to discuss with you. I'm not disputing for one moment that being BAME isn't a risk factor, but it is not the biggest risk factor and much of your reasoning is faulty.

People dont have comorbidites or at risk ethnicities.

The fact is that many people are both and they are the highest risk group.

A 65 year old BAME male is much higher risk than a white 65 year old male.

the very most at risk people in our community are BAME (and older, male, etc)

Excellent thread ..

Nothing here makes much sense in how things are being handled- Not by the government, and as a result, the population -

Weaknesses and fractures that already existed prior to the pandemic have been magnified, so I imagine they're trying fill the cracks and navigate the health crisis and economic crisis at the same time-

It's a mess-

I received my stimulus payment and one for my deceased husband-

Two people in the West Wing tested positive-

It's an election year, voting is a mess and now there's Joe Biden vs Tara Reade-

It's mother's day, families are gathering - anyway..

It's sort of all being left up to the individual/s I guess?

rosecarmel which State in the US do you live in?How are things being handled there?

At least we are being spared endless campaigning so far - this side of the Atlantic too rosecarmel.

Good luck, stay safe.

There will be a second wave without a doubt. And the most vulnerable need to be protected, whatever the reason for their vulnerability.

No, notanan. The most at risk group in our community consists of older males with existing comorbidities. If they are also BAME, they are at even higher risk. There's a difference.

I happen to believe that BAME people should have some extra protection, especially if they are working on the front line in the health service or public transport, but you are undermining your own argument with flawed logic and setting one "group" against another.

second wave timing has been engineered by ensuring that primary children go back to school in 3 weeks. Wave will then happen over summer, taking some pressure off nhs in autumn

Going back to the thread title, it is inevitable that there will be a second peak. The government and their scientists know this. But there is now the capacity in ICUs to deal with it!

There's a meme on FB saying 'It's not that the virus is lessening, it's just that there's now room for you in ICU'.

Too close to the truth!