Paid nannies OK to look after a child in thir own home real nannies are not!

get off GN

Good advice, I haven't done anything much this morning!

Matt Hancock suggested on the BBC this morning that childminders need the income so that is why they should be used. Personally it’s a decision between me and my daughter. I’ve looked after my granddaughter one day a week at least for nearly 7 years so why should my daughter suddenly have to use or find paid childcare?

Aren’t paid nannies under 70?

Grandmajayne

Does your sil work remotely and doesnt go home everyday?
Is there a temporal medical condition that justifies this move? If yes, why you not move to her?

In general, bad idea.

Your dd and sil have to cope with their kids and their jobs.
It is not like him going back to work is an unusual event

Temporary medical condition - grammar argg

if you formally care for your grandchildren and arent in a shislding group you CAN go back to work.

However a lot of "nannie babysitting" isnt childcare at all its socialising. And socialising is still off the cards.

Its not unfair or illogical

What makes it socialising rather than childcare?

I have suggested to my DD ( in jest) that she could employ me as their nanny or cleaner, then I’d be allowed in their house.
Not all nannies or cleaners are young

nannies and cleanera who are in shielding categories are not returning to work.

If you have your GC who usually go to nursery/childminders a day a week, or for a sleepover at weekends, thats socialising not formal childcare.

However if you do the daily childcare to cover your ACs whole working week. Same as a professional would. And are young (I know grandparents in their 30s and 40s and 50s) and arent shielding or working yourself and can cover the full weekly requirements of childcare. That makes you their childminder/nanny. And you can go back to work.

A day a week... you were never their childminder/nanny. That waa for you to socialise with your GC.

What makes it socialising rather than childcare?

Its a formal agreement.
& You usually cover the full weeks childcare requirement (if a child goes to nursey 4 days a week then nanny has her day on fridays. Nanny is just being nanny and being given a day to spend with GC. Nanny is not "the childcare" there. Nursery is.

I was querying what you meant by “nannie babysitting" isnt childcare at all its socialising. And socialising is still off the cards. If a nannie (as opposed to a professional Nanny) is providing childcare while the parent/s are at work then that’s childcare, not socialising.

Rosalyn I think that's the point. Hancock came up with something a bit garbled this morning, but what he was saying was that the government didn't want grandparents to look after their grandchildren because most of them will be in a more vulnerable category.

If they are providing all the childcare so the parents can go out to work its childcare.

If they are doing a day a week to give WFH mum/dad "a break" etc its social childcare.

P.s. every body whose parents babysit "to give them a break" does it for the GPs benefit. Its social. Its not because the parents need it.

everybody I know that should read

They agree to this "to give you a break" babysitting. They dont require it

I always thought of the "socialising" aspect of nurseries as socialising with other children.

I think theres a lot of disingenuity on this thread.

People want a loophole to see their GCs.

If you were "the childcare provider" you would know. Its a job. A big commitment. Paid or not. The people who do this know who they are.

If you are arguing that "granny day" every second thursday when GC is taken out of nursery to have a day with you is "no different to what nannies or childminders do" then you know youre reaching

Doesn't it depend what they do when they babysit? If they make sure the children don't do anything dangerous, direct some of their activities, feed them, etc. isn't that childcare? If they stick them in front of the TV for a couple of hours, it's probably just babysitting.

I always thought of the "socialising" aspect of nurseries as socialising with other children.

I really dont believe that posters dont understand this. I think all the "but but but.." is for arguements sake but I think everyone truely does get the difference.

Its okay to be upset about it but I think people should stop pretending that its hard to grasp the difference between little Xs day with granny so the 2 can spend tims together (social) and the grandparenta who provide professional level CHILDCARE (e
g. my neighbours GCs are dropped at hers at 6am every weekday on parents commute and picked up around 6pm. They do all the dull stuff: gettting them breakfasted and into uniform, do school run, collect from school run, dinner & homework. Monday to friday. THAT is "childcare".

Grandparents are emotionally invested, so hugging, kissing and all the physical contact. Nannies, childminders etc. are not. Whether it’s possible to keep the safe distance though, I would think quite a challenge.

Doesn't it depend what they do when they babysit? If they make sure the children don't do anything dangerous, direct some of their activities, feed them, etc. isn't that childcare? If they stick them in front of the TV for a couple of hours, it's probably just babysitting.

No.

It doesnt matter if you bake 20 cakes, do a nature hunt, teach french etc on "granny & Timmy day".

A day a week to give yoi time together is social. for your benefit. Even if its a day parents are at work/working from home.

If you are "working" by having your GC all the hours the parents work out of the home. Day in day out. Doing the dull stuff like dropping to preschool as well as the fun stuff lile chasing butterflies. Thats childcare.

You know which you are.

"but childminders breath air and so do I ergo Im a childminder.." - you know youre reaching

if anything growstuff the GPs who have fun days full of activities for "their day" are least likely to be childcarers.

Childcare GPs are picking mushed bananas out of the bottoms of school bags and bringing odd shoes up the school to try to get the pair retrieved etc. Doesnt leave as much time or energy for pottery and learning to use weigh scales as the ones who get "their day"

Childcare is part of the work force that is going back to work.

It has nothing to do with access to gc.

If you have to ask/question/argue, youre not the childcare.

If youre the childcare theres no doubt. Its a job! And money IS usually involved even if its just expenses to cover extra food/electricity and activities.

The GPs who do a day/sleepover and tell everyone theyre doing it "to give the parents a break" now just have to admit that the arrangement was really "to give ME time with GC" all along.

MayBee yes it was go back to work as soon as possible if its safe and you cant work from home AND youre not from one of the industries who are to remain closed.

Its not a mass Nanny invasion 8am Wednesday like on "who will buy" on Oliver Twist grin

An asthmatic nanny to clingy toddler twins may not be going back for some time.

A nanny to supervise older home schooling children may go back immediately

Teachers these days of delayed pension age are still required to work at 50’s 60’s despite not being as young as they once were Maw!,

I agree with you notanan2; I do the ‘dull stuff’ you described my day perfectly in your post , 4 long full days per week, whilst the ‘ other’ gran does the fun stuff once a month.

Do you think it’s been allowed to have nannies because Boris wants to employ one.

I do like Boris, I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes at the moment!