Easing the lockdown

So Wales, Scotland and NI are ALL slowly coming out of lockdown purely and simply to deflect the attention from Dominic Cummings?

Does anyone honestly believe that rubbish?

Apparently so as it’s been mentioned a few times on here.

Heaven help us!

the point of lockdown was to prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed and unable to cope with the number of patients. By having lockdown not so many got infected so was successful though huge number of deaths still! why can't that be understood!

Far too early, and seems like a panic move, probably due to Cummings and the economy.
I'm planning to do an audit of my lockdown stores today and to start building up again.
Previously , I stocked up at least a month before lockdown came in.

Absolutely. Anything to deflect attention.
I normally live alone, but have been shielded with my family and haven't set foot in a shop for over 2 months.
I have met up with an old school friend in a park. We kept to the rules but it was hard as we always hug when we meet.
I am very nervous about resuming normal life back in my home.
The posts here are always a help to me. Thank you.

Exactly MissA !
Wow Urms!
I feel England have eased the lockdown too early especially the unrestricted travel, while you could say Scotland,Wales and NI haven't eased enough. Still I guess they have their good reasons for doing so. Anyway we are moving forward.

Well, I would certainly agree with you on that MissA ?

maddyone I agree with you absolutely. There is a huge difference between long-term chronic mental ill health and feeling sad because you miss your family. I have an issue because I see so many articles about "feeling low" or "being blue" and how a few simple measures can lift mood. People overuse "I am so depressed", etc.

I also agree that long-term unemployment and loneliness, with all the possible implications, could very well trigger depression. That has always been the case, but people have so often dismissed it. It really does seem that people are using mental health to achieve what they want, which is lifting lockdown.

It's a balancing act and needs to be set against the real grief caused by losing a close friend or relative from the disease.

I'm not sure any on here are experts on anything much, but everyone in the world is entitled to an opinion.

@Hetty58
Jishere, there are many on GN who simply haven't a clue but like to give their 'expert' opinion. Just ignore them as they'll never change - or go away. I think of them as small children 'chipping in' to an adult conversation. Their level of ignorance is astonishing.

You are so right, very well put.

Remember this date and wait 3-4 weeks watch as the virus starts to spread Ooh what a ray of sunshine you aren’t WWmk3
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We’re off out now to sit and enjoy a coffee at a pavement cafe. Spain’s coronovirus numbers were super high too remember? People here are being sensible but are delighted to be moving out of lockdown at a pace now.

I think a lot of us would have been happier if the government had waited until the deaths were a lot less than they are now.The main problem as far as I can see has been the media who have ramped it up with constant messages about the public having enough and needing it lifted.I dont belive that WAS the case until people heard that message several times a day .Certainly where I live there was no backlash at lockdown ,we realised it had to be doneand just got on with it,
The mainother prolem is it wasn't tough enough...although the police have been fining people and charging those who wouldn't comply or go back home the fines weren't enough to prevent the covidiots from jumping on trains or cycling well outwith their own areas.I sawa post yesterday where someone wanted to know where to take the kids this weekend and there were so many people saying take them to Loch Lomond that it was shocking...theres nothing open here ,takeaways and small supermarkets ..no toilets ..no slipways for the boats that queued up on the A82 .The main road..only road in should have been cordoned off to stop them ,hopefully it will be today .

“This may sound harsh and I am not attempting to minimise the effect that these deaths have had but this is the reality”

Indeed it sounds harsh, and you are ‘attempting to minimise’ these deaths. If we are to bandy statistics I think you will find that the death rate varies wildly across the age groups but the general consensus is 1-1.5%. Of those who lost their lives 80% were over 65s according to recent estimates.

Life is precious. It’s not a commodity to be weighed up in terms of economics. Even the old, the vulnerable, the sad and the mad have the basic right to their lives no matter how little they matter to some others.

That is very rude Hetty. I’m sure you have the capacity to make your point with reverting to insult.

Jishere, there are many on GN who simply haven't a clue but like to give their 'expert' opinion. Just ignore them as they'll never change - or go away. I think of them as small children 'chipping in' to an adult conversation. Their level of ignorance is astonishing.

FoghornLeghorn, yes, of course lockdown has to be lifted. We are not 'all in the same boat' however. A lot of us are retired and have the luxury of the choice to continue our isolation.

Yous women are something else would you judge cancer like this: some one as a mole that needs to be removed is making light of someone with terminal cancer! No doubt It!
If you are in applying that some have used it has an excuse, how do u know??Where's your evidence, mental health can decline very quickly. If some have, so What?
How can anyone say what is a 'real' mental health issues? And what has caused It? Tell that to the family who lost there son because he lived away from them, how do u know he had any underlining problems before hand - utter rubbish. Tell that to the poor young nurses family who committed suicide because of work and being separated from family.
Please don't respond I don't want to waste my time with some of you judgemental women. I think half of you don't read others comments just more interested in your small minded comments, its all about me!

Lockdown has to be lifted. We can’t stay in isolation for ever and yes, the financial state of the country has to be taken into account. It can’t be ignored and lockdown continued ad infinitum as if this were the case we’d be coming out into the equivalent of a nuclear winter with services and businesses decimated never to recover.

Also, while I have every sympathy with those who have lost loved ones to this disease and every death is a personal tragedy, I can’t ignore the fact that COVID has caused the deaths of just over 0.5% of the UK population, many of who had co-morbidities and were close to the end of life without the intervention of COVID.

This may sound harsh and I am not attempting to minimise the effect that these deaths have had but this is the reality.

Anyone who has suffered, or watched family suffer, from mental health issues, will know that people missing their family, or their social life , is not real mental health issues. Nonetheless in susceptible people clinical depression could be brought on by these circumstances. The chances are that the depression was hovering beneath the surface in these people. When people start being made redundant, and that will happen, the numbers with clinical depression may well take off.

"It is the first responsibility of government to protect and safeguard the lives of its citizens."

Nanniejcl All your posts are absolutely spot on. 100% lockdown with strict enforcement would not have got rid of the virus because they never would have had the capacity to control all those who behaved badly. And you still would have had key workers dealing with virus patients and going home to households and their children often having to be looked after elsewhere by another person from another household.....,

I'm not being judgmental Jishere. I do speak from experience.

Thank you Barmeyoldbat for explaining what I meant.

Nanniejc Being scared isn't the same as having mental health issues!

England is moving out of lockdown too fast and I have to agree with the OP that this seems to be linked to the Cummings farce.

Jishere I don't need to join a Facebook group to know about mental ill health. You are, however, absolutely right that not everybody wants to talk about it.

I think you've misunderstood my post. I think it's undermining real mental ill health to talk about people missing their families as having mental ill health. If only they knew!