AIBU No going back to school I’m furious.

Chance would have been a fine thing re: furlough.

Ellianne Gone are the days when each LA had a large department of staff who carried out all the finance and business sides of running schools and teachers went into school to teach.

Greeneyedgirl I have been told that BBC Bitesize has very resources and there are other sites online with excellent resources eg Twinkl.

I do realise, however, that a 7 year old may need more supervision than older pupils which is difficult for parents when working from home.

Someone just mentioned abuse and I think the suggestion that some people on here should clean the loos because that's all they are fit for does amount to abuse at the lowest level.
I cleaned loos while studying for my degree and I hoovered my office as a highly paid professional when the cleaner was absent. It's a case of being ready to roll up your sleeves and get on with things to move forward for the good of everyone.

So it's OK to suggest teachers can't do budgets but not OK to suggest someone couldn't manage much more that cleaning the loos in a school?
Having demonstrated a level of ignorance don't be surprised if you get called out.

It shows what a low value some people put on others doing essential jobs.

Our wonderful street cleaner got a civic award a few years ago. He was very popular and much appreciated. He has now retired, more's the pity.

It was you who said it, trisher!!
Referring to posters who think they know how to run schools you said:
At least they could clean the loos because I don't believe most of them could do much else

That is demeaning.

I agreed with most of your other posts regarding schools opening up to all pupils.

It is demeaning to cleaners and other ancillary stff.

Hear hear trisher! Couldn’t have put it better! Ds/dil work for an LA which is in debt to the tune of £80 million - the Covid19 support funding has been well used, there is very little left to spend on all the new measures. A marquee on the sports field?? A/presumption is that schools all have an adjacent sports field B/ all sports are cancelled and C/ you obviously do not live in my part of the country - a marquee would end up in Norway! Then there’s heating, toilet facilities, power supplies, security........the list goes on! Health and safety would have a field day (no pun intended) I’ve just done a small calculation based on the amount of weeks pupils spend in school in a 13 year career. They have not physically been in school for only 2% of that timeframe, but have still been provided with tuition albeit in different forms. Hardly a wasted generation.

The comment about toilets is vulgar, and as Callistemon says we shouldn't measure anyone by their qualifications or academic achievements.
If you read carefully Trisher I was trying to say that teachers shouldn't be expected to handle budgets etc, but that in these challenging times they should simply be more innovative.
Being called ignorant by you is not only offensive but not constructive in the discussion.

Of course marquees can have power, electricity, toilet trailers, washing facilities etc. At a wedding or an event no one has to go cross legged for the day!

Greeneyedgirl - I do feel for the parents of children being given a duff deal by their local school. Personally I feel that parents should complain to the head, the local authority or the Academy Trust.
However there are so many free resources on the internet to plug these gaps
Have a look at www.primaryresources.co.uk all written by teachers. I used to give my kids 5 minutes on www.ixl.com resources which are really repetitive and dull but they used to try and beat their previous day's score.
Good luck

Elliane has demonstrated how little people really know about the running of schools by saying:

'Educationalists haven't had the experience of having to prepare budgets, juggle school finances, work out building logistics etc.'

Headteachers often have few teaching opportunities - due to the responsibilities of running the school, including budgets.

I never said they couldn't Ellianne - but where is the money meant to come from for all this? We’re not talking about sticking a generator at one end of a marquee for the band and some disco lights, but power supplies and cabling for dozens of laptops/adequate lighting & heating. Oh and then you have access issues over grass and uneven marquee flooring for pupils in wheelchairs, mobility issues or other additional support needs. As I said , the list goes on.

I am a teacher and have been working in a school which has been open for key workers and now Nursery and year R. They are following the guidelines set out to them. The children are in "bubbles". It is far from a normal environment, Everything they use is washed and wiped nothing can be shared, Nothing goes home. Parents drop them off at staged times and pick them up the same way. They play separated from their friends.The school has plenty of space but is still finding it hard to accommodate the number who could potentially be in school, The numbers who can take it up seem to fluctuate weekly as do the messages about protocol.Teachers are making it happen. They are from what I have seen going above and beyond to make things as normal as possible for the children, The unions whilst representing teachers have the children's interests and well being as the most important factor in returning to school.As far as having weeks to prepare the information being shared with Head Teachers was the same as to the general population mostly confused and vague.Schools are not all the same and have different problems to deal with, They are not digging there heels in over"silly principles" they are standing up for the rights of the children in their care.

Apparently they are being used in Denmark and France.

Callistemon I am not underestimating the value of cleaners anywhere (although it seems to be OK to criticise teachers). If you read the whole of my post instead of choosing one sentence it sets out all the challenges school staff are facing at the moment. There have been a lot of posts about what needs to be done and a lot of silly comments made based on such a lack of knowledge that the only job I could imagine those people could manage in a school would be the cleaning, but you are probably right and they couldn't manage that either.
Ellianne I'd love to see children in the NE in one of those today. They would need their wellies and waterproofs and probably their thermals.

He he trisher our girls in Essex would still be wearing their miniskirts and high heels despite the freezing temperatures!
Actually Copenhagen and Durham are both on the same 55 degrees latitude and have average June/July temperatures of 19 degrees Celsius.

Temperature today in Newcastle 14, but that's warmer than earlier in the week when it was 12. 19 is a heatwave.
What it demonstrates is you can't import something and just implement it throughout the UK .

Denmark's youngest school children are rising-7s. This is the well-publicised photo of the French nursery model.

I'm impressed by a set of basins in each 'room'. These are teenagers pictured not small children, and I'm at a loss to see how modern-build secondary schools with very narrow corridors/stairs, specialist rooms and different groupings for every subject are going to cope. The timetable is a nightmare to write for 1000 pupils as it is and takes about half a term on specialist software. I can't imagine how it would cope with twice as many classes.

But the bottom line is still the number of rooms and the number of adults required. A church hall (and I have taught in one, and I've taught kids in a Town Hall, both took a long time to set up) with no board is one room. How would the pupils get to the next lesson if it's half a mile away?

True trisher but teachers do bang on about importing the enviable Danish teaching model to the UK! Touché .... or is that French?

And German schools finish the day at 12 noon or thereabouts. Plenty of time for a second shift. Unless of course they have Hitzefrei and go home at 25 degrees Celsius. We are all so different even in Europe.

I guess the idea in the image is that the kids can move from tent to tent for different subjects. But UK schools, certainly urban ones, are very poor on outside space at the best of times.

So staff could put in a 12 hour day then, 5 days a week if we adopted the German model and had a second shift? Oh and before pupils could move from tent to tent all furnishings and surfaces that they may have touched will need to be cleaned. As an earlier poster said - people just don’t understand how schools work.

The marking isn't applicable. We are not to touch any of their things if we can help it- so no marking Not being able to take a hand to guide a young and reluctant child to leave her mum into school was a cause of difficulty, That took at least 20 minutes of gentle persuasion and held up the next set of children coming to be delivered on Tuesday. A little thing that normally wouldn't take long to sort but another challenge

Trisher Ellianne I've never heard any teacher singing the praises of Danish education - sorry

Katek, in regard to your post @17:16 today, I do not believe that anyone has suggested in this thread that teachers should work twelve hours per day five days per week.

However, how do you think that your supermarket and pharmacy shelves have remained stocked if it were not for truck drivers and distribution centre operatives working upto fifteen or sixteen hours per day, six days per week under the emergency legislation for transport throughout this crisis?

You demonstrate by your comments Katek that the teaching profession do not wish to in any way countenance changed methods of working or extend their working day for the benefit of the children they teach or this nation in this present unprecedented crisis.

Indeed, extended hours of working may not be necessary in schools if by example all history lessons were taken in the 08:00am until 02:00pm school shift session. In that, a class of thirty could receive a lesson by way of two groups of fifteen in different classrooms one with the teacher live in one while the other could be live online in the next classroom.

English lessons could then be conducted by way of the same method in the 02:00pm until 08:00pm school shift session.

The above is only put forward as a suggestion towards fresh thinking in the teaching profession to accommodate the present crisis, for it may well be that the Covid-19 situation may be no different in September than is the situation at the present time.

Just what would you suggest then Katek, that the schools remain closed indefinitely??