Good news for those living alone.....but

More 'not rocket science' here in that those who find the toilet consideration a stumbling block should simply use a bit of imagination. Rig up something primitive (but private, of course) in the garden or car (yep!). No, not ideal but possible/adequate. Depends on how much you want your visit. I did homemade but read of a camping toilet in one of the earlier posts. Where there's a will.........

luluaugust
Are you thinking of me? I said my mother will be able to visit me from her sheltered apartment . A sheltered apartment is not a care home. My mother lives independently in her apartment, she does not receive any care, other than that which we give her ie take her shopping or to medical appointments. We’ve done her shopping during lockdown and delivered it to her, but not gone into the apartment. It is not the same as a care home. A sheltered apartment is one of a block of apartments, all bought or rented by older people, usually over 60. There are social occasions (normally) if the residents want to attend, but the residents live independently. There are strings they can pull if they’re in danger ie they fall, but they live independently.

I said to my husband who shall we invite to our bubble, his answer “ our bubble burst years ago” ?

GreenGran
Yes, I understand what you’re saying, but at the moment it’s not allowed. Remember there are guidelines and there is legislation. You can be fined if you disobey the law, but not the guidelines. At the moment it’s illegal to stay overnight anywhere except your primary residence. However for single people who form a bubble with another household, from Saturday it will no longer be illegal for that single person to stay overnight in the household they are in a bubble with. It doesn’t matter whether you or I disagree with it, it’s the law. I’m sure further relaxations will be announced in due course. So therefore Granny and Grandpa cannot stay overnight anywhere outside their primary residence. Yet.

I can’t wait to get my hands on my GS either !

20growstuff ??

freya
I sympathise with your difficult situation, but surely you can drive over to see your grandchildren and their parents in their garden. If you start off at 10.00 in the morning, you’ll be there at 11.30. You can then enjoy lunch in the garden, remain socially distanced, and see your family, so long as you remain in the garden. You are allowed in the house to visit the toilet, but the toilet should be sanitized afterwards. You then return home late afternoon. The only condition is that you need good weather.
My husband and I did exactly this last weekend. We drove to my son’s house (less far than your relatives, only 40 miles) and we had lunch in the garden. We spent about four hours with them and returned home. However, we did drive for an hour and a half to visit them when they lived in London, and spend just a day with them. That was pre Covid19 though, so we could go into the flat, but often spent a lot of time in their garden anyway.

Moggie57, yes , as long as you live on your own and they are not in a bubble with another person.

I'm sure there will be a few questions on this today in the Daily Briefing.

Mamacaz. You are right about different interpretations! I thought it was one single adult can go to visit another single adult not single grandparents going to see their family. Not that it bothers me because we are not in that category.

Sorry, that should have been addressed to maddyone

luluaugust I completely understand that granny and grandad can visit in the garden. They may not live near enough to family members to be able to do this easily, though. My point is that whether one or two from the same household decides to move in with other family, or friends, it makes little difference.

so its ok for me to go see my grandchildren in their house? and vice versus?

Thank you so much for finding and posting that, GardnerGran.

I had tried to find it, having seen snippets that led me to believe he had said something like that, but I was unsuccessful.

It proves that there are different official interpretations of the bubble rule.

Lemongrove I’m not stupid and I fully understand the new rules as laid out by the media, my issue as Mamacaz mentioned is that it’s not what Chris Witty appeared to say at 57 mins into the update. Quote “ just to be clear, what can be done and what can’t, the idea of the bubbles is for families which have a single adult in the household, so if this applied to 2 families with a single adult in the household, that would be covered by what the PM has just talked about, this idea of bubbling, for other people it’s largely going to have to be around meeting outside”. That’s what confused me, and it makes more sense applied like that as it would cut down the means of transmission. However that’s not the message that’s being put out so maybe Prof Witty was confused!

It's very confusing,my granddaughter,my son's girl, has 2 single grandmas.I've been meeting my daughter,who has no children,for a walk,I suppose now we can go into each other's houses.But I'm only allowed into one house ?,The more I think about it the more confused I get.

Miss adventure neither have I no family. Two friends, both live on their own. Who do I choose, one has a neice so she will probably bubble with her although she is my best friend out if the two.

Boris giving his permission does not make it safe. My daughter and her family live close by and I have met with them in a nearby park, socially distanced. However, she and her husband are working and my granddaughter is now at school so they are at risk and could bring the virus home. I am over 70 and diabetic, though not in the "shielded" category but I have had a test and know that I have no antibodies. I intend to carry on as before rather than have my family have to cope with my illness or death, knowing that they probably passed the virus to me. I will cuddle my grandchildren when it is safe to do so, though I will provide childcare in an emergency.

That was my understanding too Kare 1949

The virus has not gone away.

This is just a small step to help those who are particularly lonely. As I said before we can use our own common sense as to what we feel safe doing.

MawB Absolutely right! Of course it is to help those who are isolating alone and need some sort of human contact after three months without.

Personally, I am going to stay put. I don’t want to devalue the weeks stuck at home alone by taking unnecessary risks now. I do understand those who choose to take that risk though. It has to be a personal decision.

This too
www.thearticle.com/bubbles-are-a-blessing-for-all-grandparents-so-why-exclude-couples

I'm not sure how an hours travel is that difficult with children.

Firstly, I do feel sorry for those like my brother who live on their own at this time but this new idea is causing us so many problems and heart ache. I live with my husband but we are 1.5 hours away from any of our GC. We haven't seen any one for 12 weeks and although we are together we feel very lonely not seeing the family and cabin fever is creeping in.
My daughter and family live 5 mins away from MiL, who lives her own. MIL has been seeing the GC every week since lock down, granted only in the garden but it is tough listening to these stories when we still can't see them.
My son and wife live in a bed sit in London, they had a baby on 21st March, we still haven't see them, My son and family are desperate to come here for a break but the lock down has not provided an opportunity to do so. Now we are told it is okay to see family if one part lives alone.
Its heart breaking because we need to see our family as much as everyone else. We are allowed to meet in a park but this is not practical especially if there are no public facilities open. To go anyway would mean travelling for at least an hour for all of us to meet half way , difficult with young children. It is getting harder to follow the adhoc polices that Bojo is proposing.
One question about all this is, who is going to police these instructions if we do have family here over night.?

growstuff

I foresee lots of hubble bubble toil and trouble.

Swingers won't be happy about this!

@Growstuff and @MissAdventure

Thank you for making me smile this morning!