Alert level down from 4 to 3

Daisymae- i think they did spike at that point but they're pretending they didn't, you see on those slides where it looks like its veered up then down,but they don't have it big enough, or on long enough, for us to get a proper look or explanation on things!

My son went to argos for me yesterday (one in a sainsburys branch) he said NO ONE was queuing 2 metres or even one meter apart- he measured with his iphone distance measure app (or whatever, i dont do iphone) it said 0.5 metres!!! (He did stand 2 metres away as hes a bit germ phobic anyway!) Yet this is where the store had placed the distance markers!

Nannan2 hate to tell you but the antibody test doesn’t necessarily tell if you’ve had Covid19 or not as it may have been beaten by your T cells which don’t produce antibodies. There is apparently a blood test for this which scientists are working on.
I don’t really believe anyone government, media or scientists as this has been a new disease about which we are still learning. I just read as much as I can being careful of the media, and make up my own mind which can alter as new evidence and statistics come in. Statistical models have been formulated on the basis of the 1918 flu epidemic but Covid19 is not a flu! I also ask myself if it was in this country as far back as last December then how come more people didn’t get it as it was contagious? Having said that I do know of 3 separate people who were very ill and 2 of whom were sent to hospital for chest X rays which I had not heard of for flu before.

My dh has a heart condition but is not on the shielded list so he spoke to his dr about the risks for him of going out. Her advice was to assess the risk and go out but only if what he was going out for was worth it. Idk if that helps anyone else.

I agree with Stella14! Ive a brand new GD, born yesterday, slightly premature, but i won't be rushing to see her anytime soon. (can't anyway, she's in neo natal care at moment) and they live 72 miles anyway anyhow, but i wouldn't wish to put her at risk.- but there's so many more deaths than gov't admitted to i doubt we are being told the truth now about how few there is either, and that poor little 13 day old baby who died from it is just heart breaking.

There is a spike in the number of infected here in Leicester. Seems to be related to people returning to work. Advice from the medical officer here was that people should not think the virus is over, and should stay at home if they can. However, I don't think people here will do anything different unless the situation becomes bad enough for a full lockdown to be imposed. Matt Hancock has talked about localised lockdowns if there are flare-ups but I wonder whether they will actually do it. I imagine it would be quite unpopular, telling the citizens of one city (or county?) that they have to lockdown. It would be the right thing to do but can you imagine all the moaning about being victimised?

I think we're rushing, based on the economy rather than public health. I understand the reasons but I think the pace is wrong.

I was given a chest x ray, and a chest scan more recently, as I'm 'not back to normal' yet- i was so very ill in december, but they didn't test me for covid19 as our gov't claim they didn't know about it then. I doubt that very much.

Other countries all seem to have done more- and sooner, than Britain. France took blood samples from people ill with covid type symptoms back in december- saved them and tested when covid19 broke officially,some were positive i believe. If our country had done so maybe we would have more idea of when, how & how best to treat it by now?

25Avalon, a LOT of people did probably get it back in december- but it wasnt 'recognised' then that thats what it was! See the post on here- "coincidence, or what? " there's loads of people posted (me included) who have mostly said they or someone they knew, were very ill back then, or before then with the covid 19 symptoms! But gov't nor NHS knew it was this. .i doubt gov't did not know though.

Wonderful Franbern

Mr. S. has been watching a live football match between Watford and Leicester.

All players not on the pitch were seated 2 meters apart on benches, wearing face masks and gloves.

Despite being told to the contrary, when a goal was scored the players put their arms around one another to celebrate. When a player left the pitch and a substitute took his place, the manager put an arm around the player on his return to the bench.

When the match was over the players on the pitch fist pumped and then slapped one another on the back and put an arm around one another.

The managers walked toward one another, remembered that they shouldn't shake hands so one put his arm around the other.

I know we shouldn't have, but we couldn't stop laughing at this lots complete inability to follow the rules to at the very least, minimise physical contact.

Human though Smileless

Smileless2012 Premier League Clubs are testing all their players and officials for Covid19 before and after games so the likelihood of passing it on is fairly remote as most of the players will be aware. Clubs in the Premier League can afford to pay for these tests. Clubs at grassroots level can’t so it will be a bit longer before they can play again. Waiting to hear from the sweet FA.

Love it Franbern Sat 20-Jun-20 10:42:00 I had to chuckle.

Well said Rosina

There seem to be a number of groups in the population at greater risk than others. These include primarily the over 70s and those shielding of any age.

Others possibly at greater risk include BAME people, obese people, people in certain blood groups. We understand research is ongoing regarding these groups.

Then there's anyone not in the above groups, for whom it would appear that the risk is less.

So logically those of us in the first group need to be especially careful. Those in the second group must be in something of a quandary, as not enough is known about why these groups seem to be suffering disproportionately.

But for the majority, most of whom will be of working/school age, perhaps it is time to relax the 2 metre rule.

Based on this, can't we all make our own decisions about risk?

I agree.
All children should go back to school immediately.
Wherever possible that is.

September is a long way of. If the virus is still virulent by then, what on earth will happen. Get them back for a month or so until the very lengthy school holidays.

Am I the only one who hates other people’s music. If not played really loud? I lived in what was a fairly quiet road fir 10 years but three years ago new people moved in across the road and had renovations, which is fine but the builders played their music all day and every day fir three months and I didn’t go out into my garden fir that time. It drives me crazy. Now next door but one to them, also opposite my garden, (new people) are doing huge amount of work and same thing radio on all day not blaring but really I can clearly hear it. I know it’s not illegal but it totally detracts from my mood and quality of life and have to confine myself indoors. If course it’s always in summer.
I feel at the end of my tether.. this lockdown business and my little dog has cancer and was recently amputated and I just want to cry with it all

Now that the number of deaths is quite low, comparatively speaking, it would help if we knew more about these people. Not necessarily their names, but things like how long they have been ill, are they new cases? Their ages, their ethnicity, how and where they caught the disease. Eg if they were sunning themselves on beaches three weeks ago or if they or their younger relatives were marching through our cities a fortnight ago. Have they actually been ill and in hospital for weeks or even months before finally succumbing . This information would help us know what we are doing right, where we are going wrong and what more we could be doing.

Yes, a breakdown like that would be very useful, Lizbethann.
However, these statistics could take some time to collect and analyse.

sarahelenwhitney - the schools remained open throughout WW2!!!

TBH, I am rather tired of this pandemic being compared to that time. It is totally different. No bombing, no air raid shelters, but then people during that did have social contact with each other for support.

This is something new - not completely different - as pandemics have raged round throughout history - but the first one with so much inter-country contact, and media input.

I am also rather tired of hearing that wonderful phrase 'Follow the science'......which science, whose science, seems to be lots of different versions.

Cava - so sorry to hear about your little dog. I know how you must feel. I've had a few dogs with cancer but not an amputated limb because of it. I hope the outcome is positive. ?

Schools didn't all stay open during WW2 anyway. A number relocated from London premises to safer areas. Children themselves were evacuated to the country.

Thank you so much

Joplin thank you so much ?

For example:

www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/02/a4550302.shtml

There were many others.

Cava: love and prayers for you and your little dog x