Sir Tom.

langelei

And I should add not include the reworking of the monarchy chat re Charles and Camilla - completely different subjects. Just doesn’t come into this post.

Most posts digress into something else. Most women, and a few men, jump from one subject to another.

I often look at the final page of a post, and think I am looking at the wrong OP.

My youngest daughter met the Queen mother, when she sang with her school choir in Harrogate a few years back, she said she was a nice lady. (My DD is almost 28 now so it may have been one of her last few official engagements?)

Oopsminty, yes, I am still bothered by what Charles, Camilla and Diana did to the children they were responsible for. Camilla and Charles were also much older than Diana who was obviously a vulnerable, mixed-up teenager and should have known better. I don't want 2 people like them being my King and Queen. I am at heart a Royalist, feel very much that the trade off for their privilege versus the goldfish bowl life works more for the country than against and wish that Charles hadn't behaved so badly whilst being a role model. His only saving grace is his ecological drive.

As for Sir Tom, there is a true gentleman. I was tickled at his coyness about the conversation he had with the Queen and I find his deprecation of what he has achieved absolutely heart warming. He is a great role model of family man, gentleman and charity.

I love the fact that Beatrice has had a small intimate wedding. I think it shows that the marriage was more important to her than the pomp and pageantry her sister seemed to desire. I wish her and her husband the best wishes for the future.

They should have let Charles marry Camilla in the first place as he has always loved her instead of forcing him to marry Diana who he didn't and that would have saved much heartache and bad feeling.

Well said in both posts langelei.

The “other woman” in a marriage, when she finally gets her man, shouldn’t be surprised when the public refuse to accept her as their Queen.
I have zero tolerance for infidelity.

I was glad to see Sir Tom get knighted, but I will NOT be happy to see any celebrities have any honours this year. It should all be key workers. Why should you knight or give an OBE to an overpaid actor or footballer!! If they are knighted I will personally go on their facebook page and tell them they do not deserve it.

And Beatrice is now a stepmother......

Songstress60 - do you not think Marcus Rashford might deserve something for his work on child poverty?

Did anyone see the photos of Princess Beatrice In her dress a vintage dress owned by her grandmother 1961/62 she looked beautiful and the fact that she didn't want to release the photos till today as she didn't want to take the shine off sir Tom's day. Fair play to her ?

Espee there were other men in that marriage

'They' didn't stop Charles from marrying Camilla; he wouldn't commit and by the time he returned from his stint in the Navy she had married Parker-Bowles. He wasn't forced to marry Diana either, but I think some of the possible brides on offer were aware of Camilla's influence and wisely departed elsewhere.

Camilla encouraged Charles to marry Diana - perhaps the right thing to do for the country? But I doubt either of them realised she'd always be so empty-headed & flirty. The last thing Charles, as a very thoughtful & caring man, needed. I remember my mother used to copy one of Diana's most flirtatious expressions - head down, eyes up. She didn't realise it looked even more ridiculous on an older woman.

Camilla and Charles were part of a ‘country set’, Anne too. A group of close friends who could be trusted , hunting, shooting, fishing, polo. Anne had a relationship with Parker
Bowles, he is Godfather to Zara.

A case of two friends who became closer when in unhappy
marriages. It happens, their relationship is based on friendship
over years.

www.historyextra.com/period/20th-century/prince-charles-camilla-history-relationship-young-why-marry-diana-crown-netflix/

Thank you for the link annepl, one error, Diana had holidayed at Balmoral before .

It was just to illustrate they had a relationship before Diana. When was her first time at Balmoral?

Sorry don’t know her age then, under 14 , it was when the Spencer’s were living at Sandringham.

Yes they had a relationship when younger , just as Anne did with Andrew Parker Bowles, I think I said Andrew was Godfather to Zara, I was trying to explain how they were part
of a ‘country set’, hence they had a close friendship when they
had a relationship, when Camilla married Andrew and when
their marriage broke down. Rather Downton Abbey ?.

I defend Charles because I honestly believe he too was a victim . He had Mountbatten plotting , Lady Fermoy , the Queen Mother and Johnnie Spencer plotting.

Mountbatten was a substitute father , Queen Mother a substitute mother, and they were certainly not the best of
friends.

Mountbatten wanted his granddaughter to be the next queen
consort, and Johnnie Spencer and Lady Fermoy had the
Spencer girls lined up.

Very interesting Anniebach.
Thankfully, times are changing.

Agreed Anniebach the plotting and scheming was most unedifying and it didn't work out very well. In my opinion, Camilla has acted with dignity and tact and has not pushed herself forward and if William and Harry are happy with her as a stepmother as they seem to be, then that is fine by me. I do wonder about those on here getting all coy and prim about divorced people......how do you square that with the adulterer in chief moving his pregnant mistress into 10 Downing Street? What do you think about Beatrice marrying a divorced man and the Queen as head of the Church of England attending the wedding?

Is Edo actually a divorcee, his son is from a previous relationship, but not sure if he has ever been married before GillT57?

He’s never been married so isn’t a divorcee.

My apologies, I thought he had been married before.

He as engaged & they had a son, now 4, who was "best man" at the wedding. So Beatrice is a stepmother. Times are certainly changing.

The Queen attended the church wedding of Prince Harry to a divorced woman.
Absolutely no comment.