Why we are still in deep trouble

Amen to that Natasha ??

Local coastal GP surgery with very elderly population are making preparations for an October to December spike or 2nd wave. Could be other or all surgeries doing the same thing but this is the only one I personally know of.
October is not usually particularly cold so I wonder if this is in preparation for when schools go back in September?

Not sure why this question was asked in the 1st place.
Most of the answers here are regurgitating information that has been reported in the media and therefore just to sell papers. I'm not a virologist or epidemiologist or any other type of medical expert so am unqualified to hold court on the virus. All of these opinions are given with the benefit of hind sight. What was impressive about the virus programme last night was how many scientists kept saying "they just didn't know at the time because it was a new virus". Just be grateful it's not you having to make the decisions that ministers had to make.

I felt very scared when shopping this morning. It would appear in my local supermarket, because people are wearing masks they have completely forgotten to SD as well!!!! This could certainly start another spike.

My friend has to have an out patient appointment at her local hospital. Her GP said that they need to fit her in quickly as a spike in COVID-19 is expected in October.

Concur lemongrove, seems eminently sensible

growstuff

BTW For herd immunity to be achieved, at least 60% of the population would need to be immune (preferably 80%).

Leaving aside the suspicion that being infected doesn't give long-term immunity, that means that 39,600,000 people would need to be infected. If the death rate is 0.5% (and nobody is absolutely sure) that means that 198,000 people would die and many others would be left with life-long side effects.

Is that what people really want?

No I don't want that nor should any civilised country.

Glad to see that many others feel the same as I do.....am not a lone voice after all! ?

Nannan2
Places were closed again in Leicester ( that had previously opened up for business.As a result of that, things have improved there regarding the number of positive Covid cases.
The latest ‘hot spots’ have slightly different criteria, as in those towns it had been shown that the transmission was mainly from households visiting other households, and not from visiting cafes, pubs etc.

Without a safe and effective vaccine there is no such thing as herd immunity. It's not mumps which incidentally I had twice, but a virus which is possible to get more than once. Test have shown that antibodies in people previously tested only last in the majority of cases for 3 months.

Has'nt opened yet*

But theyre NOT closing things down in local hotspots!!! And if they did, people would probably just travel to next nearest place that wasnt closed down if they were determined to go out- all thats on gov.uk website for the 'local lockdown' area is that they cant meet other households in their homes, gardens, or in pubs, restaurants, etc.But they CAN go to these places as their own household unit- where theyre still mixing with others, just that they're strangers, not their family members- so still going out, NOT LOCKED DOWN AT ALL! so places in local hotspot areas are NOT closed- that means can still spread the virus.IF they want to contain it they will Have to close down ALL the entertainment venues again! The only things closed are salons & libraries that BJ hant opened yet- Economy aint gonna be worth a jot to anyone if everyone dies off in the end, is it.

A pub/restaurant beside us was closed at the weekend because an idiot with symptoms went on a pub crawl. Last night they posted, on FB, to say they were open again and none of the staff had caught the virus, I queried their haste and said 48 hours was not long enough to know whether anyone had contracted the virus. During the night they sent me a private message to say that they had been told that a deep clean was not needed although they had done it.
The young people here are partying and sticking two fingers up to us, they really do not care.

Ooop meant to add........ which calls into question whether the figures we are reading and hearing are correct .

maddyone

Long before Covid19, when my lovely old Dad died, a post mortem was done because it was unsure whether he died of heart failure or the chest infection he was suffering from at the time. It turned out to be heart failure. However Mum and I were both very upset because Dad was 89 years old, had been suffering heart failure for years, and to be honest, we were terribly upset that a post mortem had to be done. Mum said ‘Poor old man.’ It seemed so unnecessary, he was old and ill. It didn’t really matter whether heart failure or a chest infection killed him. He had died. Therefore I’m not sure what difference it makes to individual families what is written on the death certificate, the grieving and the loss is just the same.

The worst thing for families is that they were unable to be with their family members during their illnesses because of Covid19.

It looks to be very common maddyone . My lovely neighbours mum was only in her 50's and had fought a long and hard battle with cancer. To have CV as her cause of death seems to be a betrayal of all she went through.

Ditto lemongrove

Ellianne

Doesn't the rise in numbers testing positive just suggest winterwhite that there were many many more people than we thought walking round with the virus at the outset?

No.

Apart from the herd immunity approach as still not defined that there is one to this virus I agree Lemongrove. Also the lockdown should have happened quicker and penalties for ignoring the laws should be much more severe. I would water cannon those crowded on beaches and queuing with no social distancing at pubs.

Spot on lemongrove

Urmistongran you are so right, well done. We need normality in all to forms.
Neuroticisms abound in this forum. I despair of what should be a leading phalanx of women.

Doesn't the rise in numbers testing positive just suggest winterwhite that there were many many more people than we thought walking round with the virus at the outset?

The overall strategy is clearly right but two things keep floating past without enough comment/analysis.
1. The numbers testing positive are rising but the number of admissions to hospital and deaths is static or falling. What does this say about large numbers apparently having the virus with minor or no symptoms. Is there firm evidence that they are also transmitters? If not, are some of the measures a bit too sweeping?
2. We were warned of large spikes following over-crowding of beaches during heat waves and the BLM marches. Seems not to have happened. Is this thought curious?

With you Lemongrove. Whilst I may not like or respect BJ, there is no evidence that anyone else could have done it better, other than by using hindsight.
Incidentally, we are all evidently set up to download the track and trace app once the app is ready. I was astonished to find this preparatory addition on my iPhone.
Look in Settings>Privacy>Health to see what I mean, or if your phone is android, I think you go to Settings> google settings.
It doesn’t do anything yet and presumably if you don’t turn it on/download the T&T app when it arrives, it won’t even if any use.
I was annoyed all the same.

Lemongrass is right.
Nanny Drakeford has done a good job for us here in Wales. Slow but steady.
We have to get the economy working again.

The government are damned if they do and damned if they don't. We are all fighting the unknown.

Everyone has to do their part and be sensible.