Why we are still in deep trouble

Why on earth would I be getting nervy?

I haven't addressed anybody as an idiot - only the people who believe conspiracy theory nonsense.

And, no, I won't be wasting my time with Anna Brees (that's the second time her name has been brought up - wonder why).

I think I prefer to check facts with the experts.

I've never heard of Anna Brees and, having checked, am not sure what her qualifications are. If any.

Who’s Anna Brees?

Anna Brees herself says she no expert! I'm with you Callistemon I'd rather get my facts from the experts.

Must say I was bemused when Anna Brees mentioned that Bill Gates has sterilised many African women (without their knowledge or consent) by injecting them via a vacination programme. So how come women in the western world are still having an operation if they wish to be sterilised? Surely a simple injection 'a la Bill Gates' would cost the NHS far less money? ?

Sorry typo - obviously Bill Gates didn't administer the injections himself! Tthat should have read that Bill Gates was responsible for sterilising .......

Wow!

I wonder if these nutjobs realise how much harm they do:

www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/05/12/the-long-strange-history-of-bill-gates-population-control-conspiracy-theories/

Anyway, back to sane dicsussions on lockdowns, statistics and mask wearing ...

Greeneyedgirl

Have we checked with them Furret?

I asked them to look at it. But nothing.

growstuff these (nearly-always far right) conspiracists are of the same mind-set as those who set fire to to mobile masts. because they thought G5 was somehow beaming the virus at us.

Yes, they do harm.

Here is a fact check about Bill Gates for those who care to read it.

There is an injection to stop you getting pregnant I had it years ago.

The birth control shot (sometimes called Depo-Provera, the Depo shot, or DMPA) contains the hormone progestin. Progestin stops you from getting pregnant by preventing ovulation.
www.plannedparenthood.org ›

Firecracker I know that there are various methods of contraception : the pill, coil, insertion of hormones under the skin - but complete sterilisation via an injection? News to me!

Well Furret Twitter has apparently removed fake news posts. I think it’s a waste of time engaging with them on here, but wonder what filter system GN has........if any?

Greeneyedgirl

Twitter last month temporarily suspended Mr Trump's son, Donald Jr, for sharing a clip it said promoted "misinformation" about coronavirus and hydroxychloroquine.

Yet even though I complained to GNHQ nothing has, at this point in time, been removed.

I’ve reported my own post above to GNHQ as I feel very strongly that if you’re not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

If you don’t hear from me again I’ve probably been banned!

Damned if they do. Damned if they don’t. The government cannot please anyone. As soon as they announce a measure it is flamed.

On the whole, given that one cannot compare apples and pears so that other countries’ actions are not entirely relevant to us, I think it will be found that we didn’t do too badly.

As nobody else has I’ll put the record straight, Bill Gates is backing the World Wide Polio Eradication which has almost succeeded, the problem countries are Muslim Countries who for political reasons spread the sterilization rumour, men in those countries forbid their families from vaccination.

Asian and African countries are prime places where polio could spread to polio free nations.

Disagree NatashaGN. I don’t follow Twitter but I’m well aware of what is being said as it is made public all the time. On Facebook you can share posts publicly too.

It is not just up to us to challenge fake news and conspiracy theories. You are ready enough to delete posts that are ‘against guidelines’ in some very nebulous way so you should step up to the plate when something much worse is posted. Some poor confused person might actually believe some of these lies (not an opinion that’s a fact).

Heard today that tracking and tracing uses a 0300 phone number which is blocked by many phones because it is usually a nuisance phone call. Whose idea was it to use a phone number that many phones would automatically block ?

The tracking and tracing is a vital part of keeping the virus contained. Unless you can identify all the contacts and get them to isolate then you have a problem. With so many cases now in the UK it is an impossible task and has now got away from them. Only a Melbourne style lockdown is going to make any difference. The UK seems reluctant to go down this route and so will not be able to get a handle on the virus for a long time if ever. They should have locked down much harder and much earlier when it started and also closed the borders and put quarantining and effective tracking and tracing in place.

I'm fairly sure I won't be able to run the app, as my phone, a pre 2017 Samsung, is too old. There's a list of phones which can run it and mine isn't on the list.

I agree hondagirl. I suppose it’s pointless now to go over all the mistakes/ bad judgements that were made, but even if text and track was up and running perfectly, I think a great many people would ignore instructions to isolate themselves if it didn’t suit them for any reason.

That's why we need to get the numbers right down, so there aren't too many people involved. People told to isolate must then be given support to make sure they do isolate. That would include financial compensation for lost work, delivery of basic food and medication, childcare, maybe even accommodation if they live in cramped housing. Anybody breaking their isolation should be punished in some way.

I seem to remember a similar conversation months ago regarding people working on zero hours contracts. Months later and we’re almost back where we started. What I don’t understand is that we can send people into space etc and yet we can‘t get a track and trace app going. Then again I suppose unless an ex Etonian has the expertise to do it no one will get the contract.

It would be a civic duty to self-isolate, like jury service, but people need to have the barriers taken away. They won't stay at home, if they can't afford to feed themselves and their families without work.