Sweden euthanising elderly corvid care home residents

???
Not unlike a friend when we were students at St Andrews who asked us round for a curry one night - fortunately I had not got as far as putting my fork in my mouth when Paw asked him what sort of curry it was and he replied “Black-backed gull”!
As I recall he didn’t take offence either when we pushed our plates away!

Doesn't sound very edible.

avian waffle - love it!

www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/GGk664/de-nast-intill-avlivar-de-gamla

This is a better article. If you open it in Google, you can opt to read it in English (probably makes at least as much sense as my avian waffle Maw).

But phrases such as:

'examine patients by telephone'

'sentenced to death'

'active euthanasia'

All of elderly people quite capable of recovery, but written off because they had C19. The AC of one man treated this way intervened. Consequently, the elderly father made a complete recovery.

Why does anyone raise anything on Gransnet Maisie? It's not because we change anything. It's because it is of interest / concern / debate worthy.

I’ll shut up now - I wasn’t commenting on the article, although I wonder how Gagajo thinks terminally ill patients’ “final journey” is eased in hospices?
My point was the use of the word Corvid - crow, rook, raven, magpie etc as shown in the picture and not what it should be ie. Covid -and you an English teacher Gagajo

BlueBelle

Well depends what and how if they are people who are very elderly very ill and catch Covid perhaps that’s a decent thing to do
I think if I was given the choice of 5 years with severe Alzheimer’s or debilitating illness or a quick exit I might well choose the latter
When my Nan with severe Alzheimer’s Bed sores that wouldn’t heal and no quality of life caught pneumonia in 1983 the doctor said he would not prescribe her anti biotics but make ‘her comfortable’ and she died quietly in her sleep I didn’t question it but I presume it was morphine
I think ‘suffocate to death‘ makes it sound very dramatic and cruel but is it ?

Absolutely agree with this.
My dear mum was 'helped on her way' with morphine, her doctors exact words were "lets make her last journey a good one"

I can't acces full article either MawB2- perhaps because I use an ad blocker.

Totally agree with Bluebelle. The language used is just awful. Thinking of both my mum and my mil - had they caught Covid- the way described would have been the kindest. If someone is very old and very sick, with multiple medical issues, in pain and with dementia- why intubate for weeks- just so that they can survive for a few more weeks or months or misery and no quality of life.

It was quite short, and the exact wording was repeated in half a dozen places (mostly in financial media, for some strange reason)

Am I the only one?

Sorry. Typing with kids yakking at me.

Not me who tried to read it Gagajo ? ? ?

GagaJo

Love your headline.

Not sure why you can’t read it Maw, I don’t have a subscription either.

It was me who couldn't read it,not MawB

I think I've read too many of their articles 'free' over the past couple of years. There's always a pay wall when I try now.

Love your headline.

Not sure why you can’t read it Maw, I don’t have a subscription either.

Gagajo they re not crows!
In the country farmers can shoot as many corvids as they like.
How would that look as a headline?

Not in a care home but at home my father was helped on his way by our kind GP. My father was in the last stages of terminal cancer and probably had only a few more days to live. He was in a lot of pain and asked for it to be brought to an end.
The doctor came and gave enough morphine to make him comfortable and able to talk to my mum and me. She then returned after an hour and gave a very large dose of morphine and a sedative and my dad had a peaceful death.
We were all very grateful.

I agree 100%, @Bluebelle.

Having seen far too much, over many years, of residents with dementia in care homes, if I were in that state I’d far rather someone gave me an overdose of morphine, than strive to keep me alive.

Elegran my stepfather died in a care home five years ago, he had vascular dementia, weak heart and a severe chest infection. It would have been extremely unkind to pack him off to a hospital with staff unknown to him.

The staff were outstanding, there was someone with him all the time until family members arrived, we were provided with endless cups of tea/coffee/cold drinks /sandwiches and snacks. He died quietly and peacefully in beautiful surroundings, blue skies and the sound of the sea through open windows.

I think if I was given the choice of 5 years with severe Alzheimer’s or debilitating illness or a quick exit I might well choose the latter

Or even going through the trauma of being put on a ventilator, if the prospects weren’t good. I agree, BlueBelle.

Totally agreeBluebelle it happens in the UK in hospices, on palliative care/end of life wards in hospitals and in care/nursing homes.

Sorry Elegran but I disagree with your comment that it’s the norm for a hospital admission for anything requiring “real nursing”.
My Dad spent the last 6 weeks of his life in a care home after the 12 previous weeks in a major city hospital. His care was far superior in the care home. His team were outstanding and he had a very peaceful death. The staff were a wonderful support to the family in his final days. My only regret was that he wasn’t transferred sooner from hospital to care home.

Corvid??

I agree with you Bluebell

Well depends what and how if they are people who are very elderly very ill and catch Covid perhaps that’s a decent thing to do
I think if I was given the choice of 5 years with severe Alzheimer’s or debilitating illness or a quick exit I might well choose the latter
When my Nan with severe Alzheimer’s Bed sores that wouldn’t heal and no quality of life caught pneumonia in 1983 the doctor said he would not prescribe her anti biotics but make ‘her comfortable’ and she died quietly in her sleep I didn’t question it but I presume it was morphine
I think ‘suffocate to death‘ makes it sound very dramatic and cruel but is it ?

Perhaps it was expected there, as it was in the Uk, that emergency hospital beds would be overwhelmed with patients, and assumed that elderly patients could be looked after as well in care homes as in hospitals. That showed a fundamental ignorance of the way that care homes are set up and run, and the low level of their resources when they have inmates with serious illnesses. The norm is to send them to hospitals for treatment for anything that needs "real nursing".