Sweden euthanising elderly corvid care home residents

Where did you read this ?

Can you give a link to article? I had heard something about this before. I have a son living in Sweden and if I had a bit more information I'd ask him if he knew anything about it. His SiL is a nurse and it seems conditions for nurses there are very stressful.

www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-taking-a-high-toll-on-swedens-elderly-families-blame-the-government-11592479430

Yes, where did you read it? Palliative care is used in terminal diseases when there is no cure for a patient's worsening condition, but euthanasia is a step further and a serious charge if unfounded.

I also read a Swedish article translated by Google. Much more scathing (can’t find it now).

It's behind a paywall, GagaJo.

I really can't pay a subscription just to read the occasional interesting article...

And from what I understand, many of our care homes weren't even able to give any palliative care, they just had to let their residents die...

I'm not altogether sure why you're raising this...

Have a look at this one from the BBC instead MaizieD www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52704836

I think it was a universal problem at the heart of the epidemic, we weren't allowed to send our elderly out of care homes into hospital either, and if they were in pain, they would have been given morphine to relieve it as there was nothing else care homes were allowed to do. Remember the problem Italy had too, with many people denied intensive care.

There is a media desire to bash Sweden as punishment for not locking down. They had the same results as those countries that did, and that is hard to explain.

None of us can be proud of the way we handled CV-19 and care homes, it was appalling world wide.

Perhaps it was expected there, as it was in the Uk, that emergency hospital beds would be overwhelmed with patients, and assumed that elderly patients could be looked after as well in care homes as in hospitals. That showed a fundamental ignorance of the way that care homes are set up and run, and the low level of their resources when they have inmates with serious illnesses. The norm is to send them to hospitals for treatment for anything that needs "real nursing".

Well depends what and how if they are people who are very elderly very ill and catch Covid perhaps that’s a decent thing to do
I think if I was given the choice of 5 years with severe Alzheimer’s or debilitating illness or a quick exit I might well choose the latter
When my Nan with severe Alzheimer’s Bed sores that wouldn’t heal and no quality of life caught pneumonia in 1983 the doctor said he would not prescribe her anti biotics but make ‘her comfortable’ and she died quietly in her sleep I didn’t question it but I presume it was morphine
I think ‘suffocate to death‘ makes it sound very dramatic and cruel but is it ?

I agree with you Bluebell

Corvid??

Sorry Elegran but I disagree with your comment that it’s the norm for a hospital admission for anything requiring “real nursing”.
My Dad spent the last 6 weeks of his life in a care home after the 12 previous weeks in a major city hospital. His care was far superior in the care home. His team were outstanding and he had a very peaceful death. The staff were a wonderful support to the family in his final days. My only regret was that he wasn’t transferred sooner from hospital to care home.

Totally agreeBluebelle it happens in the UK in hospices, on palliative care/end of life wards in hospitals and in care/nursing homes.

I think if I was given the choice of 5 years with severe Alzheimer’s or debilitating illness or a quick exit I might well choose the latter

Or even going through the trauma of being put on a ventilator, if the prospects weren’t good. I agree, BlueBelle.

Elegran my stepfather died in a care home five years ago, he had vascular dementia, weak heart and a severe chest infection. It would have been extremely unkind to pack him off to a hospital with staff unknown to him.

The staff were outstanding, there was someone with him all the time until family members arrived, we were provided with endless cups of tea/coffee/cold drinks /sandwiches and snacks. He died quietly and peacefully in beautiful surroundings, blue skies and the sound of the sea through open windows.

I agree 100%, @Bluebelle.

Having seen far too much, over many years, of residents with dementia in care homes, if I were in that state I’d far rather someone gave me an overdose of morphine, than strive to keep me alive.

Not in a care home but at home my father was helped on his way by our kind GP. My father was in the last stages of terminal cancer and probably had only a few more days to live. He was in a lot of pain and asked for it to be brought to an end.
The doctor came and gave enough morphine to make him comfortable and able to talk to my mum and me. She then returned after an hour and gave a very large dose of morphine and a sedative and my dad had a peaceful death.
We were all very grateful.

Gagajo they re not crows!
In the country farmers can shoot as many corvids as they like.
How would that look as a headline?

Love your headline.

Not sure why you can’t read it Maw, I don’t have a subscription either.

GagaJo

Love your headline.

Not sure why you can’t read it Maw, I don’t have a subscription either.

It was me who couldn't read it,not MawB

I think I've read too many of their articles 'free' over the past couple of years. There's always a pay wall when I try now.

Not me who tried to read it Gagajo ? ? ?

Sorry. Typing with kids yakking at me.