Does this make sense to anyone?

Think it’s all to do with keeping a distance....and we all know of families who don’t when they meet up in their own private space.

Tempest do you have a cut off age in mind for when older people should stay home and retire and let the younger folk go out and enjoy their lives??

I’m wondering if you include front line Nhs workers still working well into their 60’s?

Regardless of what people doing! The guidelines are STILL no more than 2 households (max 6 individuals) inside and distancing - or IF that is not possible, face covering. Outside can be 6 people but from any number of households - same distancing, or face cover if distance impossible. We should be sticking to these and encouraging other to do so. And refusing any gathering invitations that do not comply. I know it is awkward but so will being ill at Christmas.

Meant national not local guidelines.

Well said Grannynannywanny i agree, why should old people retire and let these young ones carry on as they are,they are being selfish, and if they get this virus it is their own fault, and if not and they are sensible they will still have a longer life to enjoy,

Went out yesterday for the first time in ages. We went for two hours booked a table no one checked us going in or out and there were queues outside for the drinks. Very normal but social distancing what’s that??

Our pub you have to send a text to a mobile to check in (or staff will write details down) hands sterilised, order drinks At the first station. Move to next station to pay, drinks on the bar at third station. Floor markings inside and out for one way and SD. No standing allowed, one toilet open (portaloo in car park too) one in, one out, walk round the building and start again for subsequent drinks. Enforced by landlady and bar staff, no complying, you leave.

The system is working pretty well in our area and names and a phone number are being taken where booking isn't asked for.

I can understand why inviting friends into your own home still isn't allowed as many people don't have a room in their home where social distancing can be observed. While pubs and restaurants have gone to great lengths to make it work. If the customers don't follow the rules and nothing is said, then don't go back there.

We've been out for meals with friends a couple of times but always eaten outside and kept distanced.

Although I’ve been really really careful from the start, I’ve noticed that with the easing I haven’t been quite as vigilant once family members from one other household were allowed to visit (I’m in Wales so stricter rules). Maybe we just feel ‘safer’ with family members but it’s an illusion as they’re just as likely to pass it on as anyone else. It’s known that indoors is riskier than outdoors, so families in enclosed rooms eating or chatting, watching tv etc is going to lead to a much higher viral load than sitting socially distanced outdoors at a restaurant. Not surprising that transmissions are actually happening in people’s homes. This does not bode well for winter when we’re indoors more and windows are closed. Reading the research about airborne aerosols makes for somber reading. I’ll be making the most of the warmer weather outdoors then batten down the hatches again come the winter months .......

Sorry to have to say this but the areas being targeted are Asian areas they don't think it means them.

I agree about the family illusion of safety. One DD has been invited to in-laws big wedding anniversary, probably to be held in the garden and only immediate family but both she and SIL will have been involved with 60 other households at school the week before. However much she tries to point this out she is made to look as though she is making a big fuss over nothing. Non attendance will probably sour what is a very happy relationship.

i do understand how it seems a bit topsy turvy but what really upsets me is the fact that i. , due to my husband being in the vulnerable range, have been in lockdown for three months the i see the crowds at parties, on beaches etc, i really feel that while certain sections of the public continue to behave in a selfish manner we will never get rid of this virus so lets just stop keep blaming the government and look to yourselves to behave in an irresponsible manner

Tempest, I beg to disagree and find your post offensive and upsetting. Are people past a certain age, regardless of level of health, working capability and still living their lives, active or not, supposed to retire into a box out of the way and cease to contribute or take part in the overall picture? Quite frankly, for many of the younger generation, without the support and contribution of their parents, they would struggle to get by.

Dear Grannynannywanny and Blondenana anyone in their eighties and above should just stay home. 60s and 70s as long as they are contributing something to the larger community. Being retired and expecting a state pension, pension credits, any other old age beneifts, for more years than you actually worked is not going to be sustainable in the future. Single old people living on their own in houses they cannot maintain and expecting the state to help them. I believe it will not be very long before the younger generations will start resenting the old folks.

Tempest not all people over retirement age are actually retired, not all retirees get pension credits!

You seem to have a very odd view of the older generation?

My daughter is manager of 2 local restaurants and is scrupulously observing all guidelines. Many older regulars have congratulated and thanked her.

However she was horrified to overhear the conversation of 4 young women, discussing a friend who had been contacted while in quarantine after her holiday.
She was then tested positive but as she felt fine and couldn't afford to miss work she carried on working and told no-one!
How can we cope with this level of selfish stupidity?

Tempest so in your opinion fit, healthy and active 80 year olds should remain at home indefinitely. What would you like those you mention in their 60’s and 70’s to “contribute to the larger community “
Actually I’m not sure why I’m taking the time to respond to your post as I think you’re taking the p*

Grannynannywanny I think your last sentence hits the nail on its head.

Dear GrannyGravey 13.
The discussion here I thought was about asking the younger generation to stop going out and to save the lives of older people. I am just trying to say that the younger people are getting very fed up with giving up their livelihoods, future dreams for the welfare of the old. I am retired, I have never been on benefits. I have children, I have grandchildren. I do not think ruining the economy to save older people is going to be a way forward.

Marieeliz, I live in Greater Manchester, which has a very diverse population, not all Asian at all. My local area did have a spike of cases but definitely not linked to ethnicity - please don't believe all you read in newspapers! Yes, there were problems on Wilmslow Rd ( the Curry Mile) on two occasions, it is rammed every time Eid is celebrated, but the problem seems to be that most new cases are being spread between family groups, with a few instances of work related cases.

Hence why we are banned from meeting other households indoors or outside but can go to eat inside a pub or restaurant with our own household only or with six different households outside. This makes sense to me but will only work if everyone follows the rules - unlike my friends neighbours ( aged late twenties) who had a party for about thirty people last night from 5pm to 11pm under a gazebo then moved indoors until 5.30am!

I understand that Birmingham is also facing similar measures.

Although there has been a spike in new cases ( going down now in my area) there has not been a rise in hospital admissions or deaths.

I think there's going to be an even bigger problem with Wilmslow Road when the students living in Fallowfield (and elsewhere) return. There are over 90,000 students in Manchester and Salford from all parts of the world. It's unrealistic to think they'll all self-isolate and be sensible.

mcem

My daughter is manager of 2 local restaurants and is scrupulously observing all guidelines. Many older regulars have congratulated and thanked her.

However she was horrified to overhear the conversation of 4 young women, discussing a friend who had been contacted while in quarantine after her holiday.
She was then tested positive but as she felt fine and couldn't afford to miss work she carried on working and told no-one!
How can we cope with this level of selfish stupidity?

That's why there needs to be a two-way process in place. People who have tested positive and those who have been in contact with them must be forced to self-isolate. The other side of that is that they must not lose out financially, if they can't work and, if necessary, isolation accommodation must be provided.

Tempest If you are on the shielded list or vulnerable due to advanced years then surely it is the individual’s responsibility for their own welfare?

I am definitely in the open up the economy category as we own our own business and apart from the first four days of lockdown have been open throughout.

I cannot agree with your comments regarding the younger generations beginning to resent their elders from what I have experience of they are respectful and helpful to those who have been in need since Covid-19.

Marieeliz

Sorry to have to say this but the areas being targeted are Asian areas they don't think it means them.

What's an Asian area? Many of the parts of Manchester with the highest infection rates, including Trafford, have a very low number of "Asian" residents.

About as mad as the allowed to have up to 8 in your house from 3 different households including your own but you must all socially distance 2 mtrs apart. This applies in Scotland where everyone we know lives in castles big enough to facilitate this!