Student and Christmas

The students arent spreading deliberately im sure, they could be asymptomatic, so its not their fault! Why arent the gov't ensuring they have tests as soon as they arrive? that way they know all there are ok, or if not quarantine the ones who prove positive only?! And yes the foreign students are right they should all wear masks,all the time,even in classes.its safer.

I don't agree with much the government have done so far.
But to confine these students is one I do agree with.
They are being told to remain in and only allowed on their own outside garden area!!
In general once home don't stay at home first their traveling all over the country, then meet up at pubs, & out partying etc, they in general would continue to do as they always do, their young and do not appreciate the dangers they are putting themselves and others into especially their older family members and not just the elderly my sons workmate died and only 44 because of this awful pandemic.

They do need to stay put!!! It's a wise decision!! And this useless government do not make many good let alone wise ones!! Take care x

Its not all students who are spreading it,i mentioned before on a different thread, an older guy, mid sixties maybe, stood in bloody shopping precinct, shouting out to all who knew him, even vaguely,it seemed, and he had NO MASK,and he was greeting them all with a flipping HANDSHAKE!! I think you'll find its NOT the students who havent got the message! The same as there was an article i spotted on a news thread which said "old people would rather die than miss xmas with their families!!") Its bloody madness! Why would older, and should- be wiser, folk risk all this? Its not all poor students, theyre just the ones being used as scape-goats!

What should we do? As usual....not start from here! If anyone had looked ahead, students could have had first term at home with online tuition, and a chance to decide if they were on the right course. Then a properly organised start in January.
But they wouldnt have been all that money in...

FM Sturgeon has now said students can go home and learning will be on line for next two weeks. I rather liked the idea of all those young people being locked in with no social contact. Just a taste of what happened when the vulnerable elderly were shipped from hospital to care homes and have basically been locked in for months. No free weeks of care offered either unlike the students who seem to be in line for a rebate on their accommodation.

The students arent the only ones going about as normal in their daily life- we have been told,up to this week,that its ok to do so, as long as we go out in masks, as long as we disatance- even the shielded are told its ok to no longer be shielded, so why would students expect to be treated any differently? If they were told its ok to come back to uni but not told at that stage theyd be under house arrest how many do you think would have signed up? Or paid fees& rents? None i would imagine! Less in coffers for gov't& unis i imagine! Im glad my sons had sense not to jump straight back in this year! Only those of us with a child or grandchild at uni will understand why we're angry,and why we are saying its not all the students fault this bloody virus is out of control! The oldies seem to be doing that just fine on their own!

Lin663

I completely agree with you. Boris is a brainless imbecile. Students are young adults and will mostly deal with staying put apart from the odd few with mental health issues.

I agree with the financial aspects, I understand the concern of parents. I feel sorry for those who have missed their Freshers Week, and I feel particularly sorry for those who had hoped to look for a part time job. I too was once a student living hundreds of miles from home and I have seen the other side as a parent and grandparent of students.

What I can’t get to grips with is the fuss about Christmas, there will be some who will be upset if they are unable to go home but a fair number would enjoy Christmas with their friends. Since this all erupted this weekend I can’t get a picture out of my head. It is of evacuee children during the Second World War who were sent off to places they had never heard of, with little or no contact with their parents, OK the past is a different country, but I wonder how they felt about Christmas?

Allule- the manchester students (and greater manchester area,right up to bolton) were told previously they may not be starting back till december-it would be online learning sept- dec, then gov't started easing lockdown and plans changed,they were required to start back in unis 22nd sept,wether they felt safe to do so or not! Same with colleges- beginning of sept and now my youngest son has been off ill 3 wks, and as they insist he goes back as soon as hes better- he will be more at risk, as he is also in vulnerable category (not just oldies are vulnerable either!) Both he and I will be in trouble if he wont return, theres no 'defer for a year' for college kids!

Its all about the bloody money, and bloody economy, and yes we are in debt as a country,but so too are other countries.Because of covid theres more lost than ever before,but rather loss of money than loss of lives surely? And maybe they should start sueing china for this mess we are in? Also, make our universities NOT open to foreign students anymore. Who knows thats not how it was brought here in first place? A returning foreign student, back from a home visit? Spread spread spread like all the uk students do?........?

Good grief Nannan2, that's verging on needing reported!

Stop blaming people who don't look like "us"

Just the beginning, news this morning reveals, and no surprise, one university alone (from a number of others), 127 students tested positive. Herd immunity!

This can be viewed from many perspectives. Some posters on here seem to see it only from the point of view of an older person. It must be considered in a way which will be best for everyone. I have no solution to offer but one point to make. During university vacations nearly all students return to their families who, in most cases, provide board and lodging. Some students will get jobs to help their parents with extra expenses. How will these students be able to afford to live away all that time? They won’t have budgeted for it and will already be in debt. I agree with those who think they should be tested and allowed to go home for Christmas.

Shielding since beginning of March. HM still doing same at Sandringham - what does it tell us about safety for the vulnerable. Common sense needed!

Surely it would have been better to set up testing stations on each campus and made sure every student was clear before they started. A period of 2 weeds isolation would have been far better and then they could have all mixed on campus without worry. The Universities could have opened the bars, the supermarket, eateries, etc and keeping the 1st years on campus wouldn't have seen such a hardship. Obviously there was no forward planning here.

Priority at moment in Scotland is still trying to get uni students home for Xmas. Virus though is going so fast all over Uk , who knows what will happen ?

If it came to this - and as Nicola Sturgeon said, Christmas is three months away - I would encourage ALL students and their parents to break the law, and return home. This is more than one step too far!!!

After 6 months of covid crisis, I am much more concerned about what all these measures are doing to people's health (outside covid), mental health, jobs and livelyhoods, and the economy at large. It has all gone too far; there were 10000 excess death not related to corona in the last few months (people scared to go to hospital, scared to see their GP even, treatments being postponed, etc.; just look at the figures for cancer treatment referrals!).

But this bumbling, inept government is not likely to do the right thing. We need to stop this madness, shield the truly vulnerable, and give everyone else clear guidelines how to act responsibly in this situation. We will have to live with the risk of corona for a long time, and simply can't carry on like this.

trisher

Universities are not going to "boot out" any students. Financially they are going through tough times anyway with no foreign students this year. That's one of the reasons they are anxious to have students at Uni, should they provide only on-line education the fees could be challenged. It's not just the rent for Halls they would lose.

Sorry I misunderstood, I just wanted to point out that there were foreign students.
Moreover, the ones I know of, arrived a week before freshers week, so they were sure that they would be ready for classes. They come from the EU.

The virus will not take a Christmas holiday. Please calm down.

Lexisgranny - with you all the way

Evacuee children a very good example. Is it students making a fuss or parents? I do wonder what has happened to the strength of character of the nation - now bordering on weak and wimpish. Time to find some back-bone and get on with it!

I have children well past university age but, should the need have arisen, I would have fetched them at Christmas no matter what.

Imprisoning children at Christmas is a monstrous idea.

Imprisoning children at Christmas is a monstrous idea.

1. They are not in prison
2. They are not children
3. Nobody suggested this anyway

That is exactly what I was thinking of sparkling, just who is making the fuss?

The media are making all the fuss Lexi. And those students who've just realised that Covid is serious.

I don't recall as much being made fuss about Shielders who were told to stay in and not leave home at all for three months in the first instance, and I doubt students were having on line discussions about how awful it was for us poor dears and how terrible that there weren't any delivery slots. But then, I was probably worrying too much about how to get milk, and it wasn't students who knocked on our door to ask if we needed food from the shops before the deliveries got sorted.

Apart from which, Christmas is nearly three months away. Think what a difference there was in our lives and restrictions between the beginning of May and the end of July. Let's cross the Christmas bridge when it comes.

I think the idea that students would not be able to go home for Christmas was started by journalists who like to stir things up for the purposes of making headlines for their newspapers or TV news bulletins. Nobody knows what the situation will be in December, but I am sure the Government would not want to keep thousands of students in their Universities unless the situation then was very serious.