Relatives and covid

NannyC2

I think you should just be sensible like this dear, dear 83 year old Barnsley pensioner called Maureen who is attracting thousands upon thousands of followers by her straight talking. People calling for her to PM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEC1YOJSyng&feature=emb_logo

Seriously?

People who behave irresponsibly and contribute to other people's risk cannot be compared with communists, socialists, trade unionists or Jews, none of whom have done anything wrong.

Anyone that disagrees with Franbern will be reported.

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Oh Franbern has reported me. Who's like the Nazis?

And yes this will be deleted. I'll probably be banned.

But a few people might get to see Franbern for what she is before it disappears.

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By Martin Neimoller

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left

Yes, my sister expected me to meet up with her on Saturday as usual even though Wales is under national lockdown and meeting someone outside, who is not part of your household, is banned. I told her I wouldn't be seeing her until the lockdown was over. She didn't say anything but I know she'll not be sticking to it.

Franbern Reporting a neighbour for being Jewish or saying something anti-Nazi is a bit different from reporting somebody for breaking the law by anti-social behaviour, which could put others at risk.

It started in Germany with people who thought they were above the law and did as they wanted, regardless of its effect upon others.

Who, breaking the law themselves, sought to persuade others that their actions were justifiable and that those who disagreed were enemies who threatened prosperity and wellbeing.

Who, when people noted and protested against their actions, used extreme language and pejorative terms to ridicule the protest.

Who, though their beliefs and actions resulted in the suffering and deaths of others, never ceased to maintain that they were in the right.

Perhaps we can see something similar happening in this situation.

Maddyone, think you did the right thing, although do wonder why it was left to you to have to ask the crew to do that, surely, for their own protection they should be more vigilant.

Not going to bother to reply any further to Illte who is unable to see how spying on your neighbour is the first step on that horrible road to what happened in Germany in the 1930's.

Suppose anyone who dared to go abroad on holiday this year would be considered as irresponsible and selfish behavior. Not sure what I have said I have done that gives me that - Yes, I have dared to continue doing my weekly food shopping myself, prefer to purchase other items on the local High Street, rather than adding to Amazon riches. See my bubble family weekly. Did actually twice go to local restaurants during August.

I will not report my neighbours if they have seven or eight people in their house. I refuse to turn myself into a neighbourhood spy. However my husband and I did ask the crew on our flight to Kefalonia to ask a man who was not wearing his mask to please wear it. He complied.

It happened in Germany because of a group of people who found all kinds of excuses to justify what they personally wanted to do.

I find it unbelievable that anyone who has had relatives who suffered in the Holocaust can compare the mild disapproval of others for their actions with the horror that was Nazi Germany.

I'm sorry you can't identify with that.

Excuse me - what behavior? Not sure to what you are thinking I have done.
I had relatives who died in nazi programs - when I used to wonder how the good people of Germany allowed things to get so out of hand and 'stand by' as the Nazis gained power - I never had an answer.
So, yes, I do get very concerned when I see how it seems to have become somehow fine to spy on your neighbours and friends to see if they are obeying whatever are current rules, and be so willing to report them. This is how it started!!!
Of course, it can't happen here can it? No way, would the good people of the UK be able to regard others as less than human - then I remember those comments, not so long ago about 'letting them drown'.

So, Covid fatigue is now being recognised as something that is happening amongst a good part of the population. I am definitely suffering from that

I agree with you Illte. Quite shocking!

It really is offensive to compare what happened to law-abiding Jewish people in Germany to what might be a monetary penalty and is more likely to be "having a word" for not following the rules in this situation.

Nobody is going to be hauled away in the night, put to death, incarcerated in a concentration camp.

Using that appalling tragedy to justify your behaviour.

Yep, I do know people whose lives have definitely been shortened by this virus - not because they caught covid, but because their cancer treatments were abruptly stopped!!! Also, those that had heart attacks as they had been scared to go to their Gp with some symptoms.
Death has always been with us - particularly as we get older.

Do not see how I could spread anything to anyone else as the only people I am able to see are my bubble family - when I am out and about I am nowhere near to other people - so I i refuse to have people try to tell me I am being selfish because I do not shut myself up in my home.

I have several health problems - not unusual as I am nearly 80 years old, do not feel that I have time to waste. Many things going on in UK today scare me a great deal more than any virus can. One of those is how quickly people want to condemn anyone else with a different approach to life than theirs, And, how so many people want to 'report' neighbours, and even friends and family (so like Nazi Germany of the 1930's). My main fear, though is the mental health of our young people and children, as well as how they are going to be able to cope with the economic results over the decade or so = so many of their hopes and dreams have been scuppered completely.

The rules are quite clearly laid out on the government website - Gov.UK. No excuse for not knowing what the rules are. The government is having to be flexible because the virus is flexible, hence the need for frequent changes of the rules. As for those who say 'I am not putting my life on hold, I'm carrying on as normal', you may find your 'normal' life is shorter than you expect. And, of course, you may be shortening the lives of others as well.

Awesomegranny which particular set of rules?
'Eat out to help out' Did we all obey that - if not why not??
'Return to work ', Use public transport, Go out to spend, spend, spend to support your local shops.......
Rule of 6 - unless, of course, you are a member of the government, then it does not apply
Must all sign up for, and use an ap - which then did not work properly except for making a fortune for a mate of the Government.
No need to wear a mask at all, Must wear a mask when indoors, etc.
And, now these Tiers - and once again rules changing almost daily.
I would not call the government incompetent, that would be to praise them too highly - although, of course, they have been high competent in making millions of pounds for each other through their very suspect contracts
But obey their rules? - chances are - that by the time we worked out what they were they would be changed.

I think we have to respect other people’s feelings at the moment regarding Covid, if you are being careful last thing you want is to come into contact with people who aren’t obeying the rules

I totally agree with you Franbern. We have grandchildren living with us who have to go to school and although we are extremely careful and don't get out of the car we have to live with the consequences of that. We have also had workmen in doing major necessary repairs. We do what we can to keep safe (eg shop once or twice a week at a quiet time) but refuse to put our lives on hold. I also meet up with friends for lunch or coffee in safe rdestaurants. We are in Tier 1 at the moment but will probly be in Tier 2 by the end of the month and will have to rethink but the children will still have to go to school!

Okay I am obviously one of the minority on here. I have refused to put whatever is left on my life on hold. I am not foolish, I take care, but do see my local family (schoolteacher daughter and three children at school and one uni student).
If we had a government in whose policies on dealing with this virus I had even the very slightest belief in, perhaps I would be more likely to follow their ever =changing policies. As it is, the only thing they seem to be good at, is ensuring that they and their mates are making loads of money from this pandemic - and have achieved the country having one of the highest death rates from it in the world and one of the very worst economic outcomes.
So, I go out - I wear a mask indoors in public places, I wash my hands a lot, and as far as possible I keep my distance. BUT......I will not become a prisoner in my own home, nor will I not see my children and g.children whenever possible. Nor do I wash my shopping, isolate my post and packages etc. I do my own weekly supermarket shopping and try to purchase other items as far as I can fromal sops.
I am not selfish,just pragmatic.

BusterTank.
Your sister-in-law will be breaking the rules by having 11 people round on Christmas Day. As it is at the moment it's no more than 6.
Don't put you and your husbands health at risk. It's not worth it. Tell the in-laws how you feel. Surely they'll understand and say you'll have them round for the day when things get better or depending where you live is there anywhere that would deliver a meal to them for Boxing Day?

SueSocks

Yes, good friend wanted me to go to lunch, I said no as I wasn’t confident about going out socially due to the pandemic, she got quite angry, said her life hasn’t changed & that I couldn’t become a recluse because of it!
Also had an email from an organisation that I belong to, we haven’t been able to meet since before lockdown. They suggested a Christmas lunch, sitting at socially distanced tables in groups of 6, we could swap tables between courses! It would be a gathering of over 30. No hesitation on that suggestion - again it was No. Most other members were happy to meet. All of the group are over 60, many over 70, I cannot understand why people put themselves at risk. It does get lonely not meeting up with people, but I have come this far and am not going to back down now.

Totally wrong and could get the restaurant into serious trouble. That’s the kind of thing I’d honestly want to “report”. Elderly people too.... or even the excuse of being young and daft.

3nanny6
You cannot meet your brother indoors now because you are in Tier Two and he’s Tier One, although I think you can meet outside.

BusterTank
If I was you I would simply say to your relatives ‘I’m sorry but I’m doing it differently this year. Hopefully by next Christmas there’ll be a vaccine and we can have our usual Christmas celebrations.’ It’s up to them to be understanding or not, but you will have a less worrisome Christmas.

For myself, I have a sister who has long standing mental health issues and she is a determined woman who takes little notice of other people’s opinions. I asked her not to visit our 93 year old mother immediately before lockdown in March, but she refused to comply and travelled the length of the country on public transport and stayed in our mother’s sheltered apartment for over a week. I felt she selfishly put our vulnerable mother at risk, especially as she went in and out of the apartment every day to buy food, and took my mother out twice to restaurants. Luckily there was no harm done done but........