Second wave sweeping Europe?

you jest surely kircubbin2000

Let’s hope those who are constantly blaming the government for our rising cases learns that we are by no means alone in this, especially as the report was from their bible, the Guardian!

Meanwhile, it’s not all doom and gloom.Vaccine trials are going well and every country, like us is better prepared in dealing with it compared with how we all were back in the Spring.

Yes very Ashcombe

Interesting graph.

Good question kirrcubbin2000

too slow. Now it seems..

If I've understood it correctly, people are infectious before they suffer from any signs of C19. How can we expect test and trace to cope in that case?
Taiwan and Japan have test and trace which seemed to work slightly better than in europe but they were stopping flights from China as far back as Dec (Tiawan). They didn't trust the Chinese info so made their own decisions based on past experiences.
Europe and WHO were to slow now it seems there is no way to catch up.

Is China telling the truth?

China has controlled it. There are very few cases there. A personal friend (as in someone I know, in the flesh) of mine wrote this on Facebook.

How could a country of 1.6bn have so few deaths from the virus outbreak? Surely it's a government cover-up, how could they possibly do better than our advanced Western democracies?

These are photos I took on Jan 26th, BEFORE people were ordered into lockdown. The shopping malls were eerily quiet on what would've normally been one of the busiest days of the year after Chinese New year and the metro was at about 5% or less of its normal amount. To still read of police breaking up house parties in England and people flocking to public places as soon as the temperature gets into double figures is, quite frankly, embarrassing.

The virus really did not take hold anywhere outside of Hubei province (comparable in population to England) as social distancing was almost a natural reaction and taken incredibly seriously. Not to mention the technological infrastructure that was used to trace and test anyone who may have come into contact with someone who was infected. Simply put, you can't compare the numbers of the country and declare foul play to suit an egotistical narrative.

Was China perfect in its response? Absolutely not and there were certainly blunders in the beginning. Would the Western powers have reacted better? Well it's obvious that they can't even do that given 6 weeks to plan for the inevitable. Yes, the numbers in Wuhan are going to be higher but the inaccurate death tolls are a reflection of the inability to have tested and treated many that didn't make it to hospital, which is also what is happening right now in every other country.

Personally, I feel the scenes at the Cheltenham festival are quite possibly some of the most disgraceful in living memory as a Brit. The decision to prioritise the economy over public health will be viewed with disdain for many a generation to come. I can't understand how there are people who believe Boris Johnson and the team handled it well. There was so much warning, yet the slowest response imaginable.

Stick in there, life will get back to normal. We got stuck in traffic driving about 22km to downtown Shanghai yesterday and it was so good to experience again as there is light at the end of the tunnel, but only if everyone plays their part.

I heard that France has/is in the process of abandoning their T & T system as it hasn’t been as useful as they thought.

T & T can never be 100% effective, it is only as good as people are honest when checking into venues.

No surprise really.

Until this fiasco of a test and trace system gets sorted the virus will stay one jump ahead of us.

Your right Bluesky the virus always seems to be one step ahead, whatever precautions are introduced.

What I find depressing is that there’s not much difference between countries where they had strict rules with fines, masks indoors and outdoors etc and the UK.

I think this was inevitable with the cooler, wetter weather forcing us indoors, the return to schools and universities and so many young people rebelling and ignoring guidelines. Not forgetting those who should know better simply thinking the guidelines apply to others and not to them.
More testing is another factor that springs to mind.