National Lockdown to be announced next week?

Wow Im sorry to hear this poor England it feels like this is just going around in circles, I’m in NZ and we are pretty good here at the moment. How long will you go into lockdown for?

As usual Boris is playing catch-up, he just does not listen to advice. A complete in competent fool of a leader. We have already put ourselves in lockdown and back to jigsaw puzzles and reading. Shame after I have just bought a new electric bike.

Lexisgranny

So it looks as if England will go into lockdown as Wales comes out of the Firebreak, not too sure where the whole of Scotland stands at the moment. Wonder which route will be the most effective?

I was just thinking the same, Lexisgranny.
Unless Mr Drakeford decides to extend the 'firebreak'.

Primary schools and years 7 and 8 will return here on Monday and older pupils from the week after, but we await further news.

kwest

If schools remain open and you allow grandchildren to be in your bubble, you are effectively allowing approx 30 other children to be in your bubble by association, plus their parents, the teachers and any siblings of the children. Or am I mistaken. For the moment we are not having contact with any family members except our son who is bubbling with us and we see him approx once a week for up to 30 minutes,

It's my understand this is correct.

When you say 'National', I assume you mean England as Wales, Scotland and NI will have their own agendas.

Or find some sort of compromise Nannan and close unis and colleges like they have in France. Primary schools should stay open and years 7, 8 and 9.

We are moving house on the 13th from Wales to England ?

After all the covid cases in unis etc wouldn't it be sensible to CLOSE the schools,colleges&unis again, or its still going to be possible to spread it?! Despite them trying to 'protect' the economy by using the schools as free childcare, instead of a genuine place of education, it isnt taking into account the health& safety of all teachers/staff,nor any vulnerable children whom may have underlying health conditions, nor any vulnerable relatives of the children.who are all at higher risk.

If schools remain open and you allow grandchildren to be in your bubble, you are effectively allowing approx 30 other children to be in your bubble by association, plus their parents, the teachers and any siblings of the children. Or am I mistaken. For the moment we are not having contact with any family members except our son who is bubbling with us and we see him approx once a week for up to 30 minutes,

Week 2 of lockdown here in Wales.
I think we have to accept that lockdowns are going to be the pattern for the foreseeable future.

I agree maddyone, where's the co operation between the 4 UK nations? For that matter, where's the co operation within the EU?
I think it was inevitable and that it will follow the same pattern as last time with a bit of tweaking. Hopefully they will implement the measures that were successful before and discard others.
The scariest thing is how often will this have to keep going on for, this covid isn't going away for a long time.

WW2, you got it in one. BJ just couldn't accept that KS had it bang to rights. A lockdown over half term was the ideal as parents would have factored in the childcare for the break. Went on every week at PMQs how KS never said what he would do. Minute he did, he was a political opportunist. Look in the mirror BJ so you can recognise one next time. What BJ wants now is a belated lockdown so he can appear magnanimous when he lets us all visit relatives for Christmas. BJ, Santa already has that job secured. Been in the family for generations.

Other countries are in the same state but some manage better than others. As for all the countries on mainland Britain following the same rules, maybe the attached will suggest whose rules we should follow?

Also, statements like "it's a fact that millions die, not thousands" don't help. The WHO estimate just over 1.1 million have died in the whole world. We're in a bad state, but let's not make it sound any worse that it is.

I think that we have to come to terms with the fact that Christmas is cancelled, at least when it comes to mixing. Yes, it would have been better to have a national response. What a muddle.

It must be a total nightmare for shops and hospitality places who, now, have no idea how much to stock. Are they going to be allowed to operate during November, or will they be closed. Many, many of these will never re-open!!!
For older people like myself, lockdown will have little effect on my life - I do not go to work, nor frequent pubs, only eat out in restaurants on special occasions, and only see my local bubble family. My pension gets paid into my bank regardless, and I go out in my car for a once a week visit to the supermarket.
For other, younger people, it can be totally devastating - if they are not able to continue to work, how will they pay their rent or mortgage, how will they feed their families, how will they cope at all financially.
Glad that this time schools and colleges and Uni will remain open. The children and young people (IMO) have been hit the hardest this year. And, for those who do have jobs they can do working from home, child care and ensuring home schooling continued was often near impossible.
It had been strongly suggested to extend the one week half-term to a fortnight and have that as a firebreaker type of lockdown. This suggestion was totally ignored by those who call themselves 'Our Government'.
Whatever they do now, they will still be intent on trying to ensure that December has things open for us to Spend, spend, spend and will want us to have a firebreaker lifting of restrictions over Christmas week so we all can feel that they are so kindly and benevolent.
Do wonder how many people will be more concerned as to how they will provide christmas food and pressies for their children than anything else.
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Jane10

He's not God. It's such a complex area that it's hard for anyone to plot a way through this with complete accuracy. Other countries are in the same state.

No no one would ever accuse Johnson as god, but a competent leader would be a refreshing change.

Jane10

Now I'm scared. I never was before but somehow, this time, I'm worried. DH and I will lockdown without being told to.

I feel more jittery than I did before. I think after reading the BBC information on what the future holds is what is doing it.

Somehow we have to learn to live with this long term, and all I can see is that our lives are contracting to a very different existence.

Not a good idea for gatherings at Christmas either. I'm afraid I prefer to be in Scrooge mode this year in order to remain alive as this is exactly the time when ordinary ills strike without there being a pandemic to gee things along.
People will have to be made to understand the implications when all are together. Many haven't followed rules.

I'll just be wishing and hoping that my family are alright.
A lockdown has to happen to save lives. It's scary now as it's a fact that millions die, not thousands.

He's not God. It's such a complex area that it's hard for anyone to plot a way through this with complete accuracy. Other countries are in the same state.

If they had done what the scientists had suggested, we would now be emerging from a two week lockdown, with thousands of lives saved.

How on earth can Johnson explain that he now intends to lockdown for longer?

Confidence in his competence is at rock bottom.

also diverting attention away from the Corbyn debacle

Please tell me you don't think this is more important for the nation than the pandemic

I agree maddyone, and I was just about to post a similar comment, but refreshed first and saw yours!

I agree with the OP; why leak this on a Friday night, sowing confusion and chaos? The obvious answer is why people always leak information; to cause trouble.
I am sure the possibility of lockdown has been discussed at length, as it should be, but the BBC and some newspapers are fulfilling their self-appointed role in stirring up unrest, and also diverting attention away from the Corbyn debacle.

At this time it would have made sense for the three countries on mainland Britain to have acted as one, and for NI to have acted along with Southern Ireland. But that’s cooperation, so that would never happen!

So it looks as if England will go into lockdown as Wales comes out of the Firebreak, not too sure where the whole of Scotland stands at the moment. Wonder which route will be the most effective?