The best vaccine news we could hope for

DiscoDancer1975

That’s strange Alegrias, Elegran, wins ‘ post of the day’, but when Esspee said a similar thing, you slated her!

I am admiring Elegran's sense of humour and grasp of sarcasm in contrast to posters who are happy to have others take risks on their behalf and not acknowledge the debt they then owe them.

Ok, but sorry, I don’t see the difference. Each to their own I suppose.

It is understandable that people may show concern about having a new vaccine which has, of necessity, been developed relatively quickly and the tests completed in such a short period of time, so criticising anyone who may be hesitant to have it is rather unfair.

Understandably, people are often concerned to know how rigorously and extensively vaccines have been tested. This is especially true for new vaccines. This page aims to outline the process involved in developing and licensing a vaccine for use in the UK. The standard for testing and monitoring of vaccines is higher than it is for most other medicines, because they are one of the few medical treatments given to healthy people (mainly healthy children). This means that the level of acceptable risk is much lower than it might be for a cancer treatment, for example. It can take many years for a vaccine to pass through all the stages described below. In the case of the MenB vaccine, for example, it took nearly 20 years from the first idea to the vaccine being licensed for use.

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/vaccine-development
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Thanks Suzie all the better if it’s not a new concept, people will have more confidence to take up the Pfizer vaccine, which is needed for it to be successful.
Just read that the Oxford one might be the UK preferred option because of costs and logistics.

Callistemon

It is understandable that people may show concern about having a new vaccine which has, of necessity, been developed relatively quickly and the tests completed in such a short period of time, so criticising anyone who may be hesitant to have it is rather unfair.

Understandably, people are often concerned to know how rigorously and extensively vaccines have been tested. This is especially true for new vaccines. This page aims to outline the process involved in developing and licensing a vaccine for use in the UK. The standard for testing and monitoring of vaccines is higher than it is for most other medicines, because they are one of the few medical treatments given to healthy people (mainly healthy children). This means that the level of acceptable risk is much lower than it might be for a cancer treatment, for example. It can take many years for a vaccine to pass through all the stages described below. In the case of the MenB vaccine, for example, it took nearly 20 years from the first idea to the vaccine being licensed for use.

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/vaccine-development
Page last updated:
Monday, October 29, 2018

There’s been cautious which is a very understandable position and then there’s posting scaremongering unchecked rubbish.

Don't be ridiculous.

What is the Vaccine Knowledge Project?
vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/

Callistemon

Don't be ridiculous.

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I have volunteered as a ‘guinea pig’. If everyone said they would not do that, nobody would ever get the vaccine.
Maybee Another good point,

Thank you and everyone like you Tweedle

This is a nice summary by JVT, in The Mirror of all places. Nice graphics.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jonathan-van-tam-explains-how-vaccine-development-has-been-sped-up-in-coronavirus-crisis/ar-BB1aUkqY

Thanks Alegrias

I found the information about the normal vaccine development process interesting but this is a world emergency.

You're welcome Callistemon. Did you see the part about how they have accelerated the timeline safely? I thought that would be relevant to this discussion. Apologies if I have misunderstood your post.

And side effects says a Texas man who was a trial voluteer.says the the side effect is like a severe hangover.as I don't drink not sure what this means. Will it make me feel very ill ?

Alegrias2

You're welcome Callistemon. Did you see the part about how they have accelerated the timeline safely? I thought that would be relevant to this discussion. Apologies if I have misunderstood your post.

Isn’t it more accurate to add that it’s speeded up because of the various phases overlapping rather than being done sequentially? Plus of course the at risk production. None of this worries me because I have faith in the MHRA and FDA. I agree about the graphics and explanation being first rate

suziewoozie ?

Moggie - You are asking if a hangover makes you feel very ill.
I don’t have much experience of hangovers, but the popularity of alcohol makes me think it can’t be too bad !!

I think an awful lot of people will soon be very disappointed. They will have to wait. It will be quite some time before vaccines are freely available, surely, as it has to be health workers and care home residents first.

I'm quite alarmed by all the 'back to normal' comments, too. Have people really learned nothing? Why a wish to return to the ideal conditions for the next pandemic?

I heard on the world service that this vaccine is only demonstrated 90% successful after seven days using fully healthy "younger" adults with no underlying conditions.

It was pointed out that this was in a mask-wearing situation and that the release of this press statement from the company could impact the results by making the next stage volunteers behave differently. The release of this information was apparently very irregular and the virologist speaking was hopeful but disappointed that the 90% thing had been released. He said so many interesting things, I wish I knew where I could find it again.

Personally I'm glad something seems to be working but am not going to pin my hopes on it just yet.

It seems that we shouldn’t be holding our breath folks.

The government has not been able to secure many shots so it will mean that at the moment there is only a small amount available.

I put this on the other vaccine thread but it seems right to copy it here again

There will be better COVID vaccines than this one in the future. Maybe this one will give me a headache for a couple of days. Maybe Group A should get it before Group B. Pfizer will make a lot of money, Astrazeneca will make a lot of money. Maybe its 90% effective, maybe its not. I've just seen a post saying we might not get enough because of Brexit.

Its all just detail. Because you know what, I'm just really b****y happy that there is a vaccine for this virus. It proves that you can vaccinate against it, that science will find a way out of the pandemic. They've created a vaccine for a virus we didn't even know about 12 months ago, and its going through all the same safety protocols, because people have pulled together to solve the greatest problem of our generation. If you want to nit-pick and find problems, on you go. I'm going to celebrate.

That’s true

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I rarely do a line of emojis but Alegrias2’s comments were worthy of it.
Stuff all the negativity and celebrate the achievements.

alegrias2 excellent post. I have felt so much more cheerful since this news was announced. It is the first step properly out of this pandemic. How can we not celebrate that.
Yes, there will be other vaccines - work has been done on Corona Vaccines for very many years - the urgency of Corona 19 could prove, in the long run, beneficial to other Corona antidotes.

Just got to stop all the negativity - that in itself can prove as dangerous as the virus itself. Even saw on my Fb, that there is (already) a petition asking that no action be taken against those who refuse this vaccine. Perhaps those signing it should direct it to the virus itself!!!!!

My arm is ready and waiting for this vaccine as soon as my GP send for me.

But will thus vaccine be effective against the mutations? Can't help but wonder about the timing with the mink transmission becoming widely known. I think that it's too early to put the flags out.