Time to admit this virus affects some more than others.

And let’s remember that long Covid is a reality for some. One of our daughters is entering week 9. She is 40y with no underlying conditions too. It was a so-called ‘mild dose’. Her husband got it at the same time and he went back to work after a total of 3 weeks.

This virus can be very nasty indeed.
Keep safe everyone that’s the main thing.

Absolutely right Hetty58 add to that the fact that the areas under Tier 3 restrictions include most of the poorest areas in the UK and you have a format for yet more and wider inequality. "The rich get rich and the poor get poorer"!

It's likely that inequality will increase exponentially, now that so much has been spent and the economy takes a nosedive. It's always the poor that take the greatest hit, after all.

Trisher you are absolutely right. No one can possibly argue the point.

Sorry just re read that and it should of course be more likely to die if you are poor. Less likely if you are affluent.

lemongrove

trisher you misunderstood my post....I was saying that having money and space didn’t prevent you from catching Covid...and yes, dying.

But you misunderstand what is happenng lemon if you are poor and catch Covid you are less lkely to die than if you are better off. Poor women in particular are more likely to die. If you read the link I put at the start of this you are also less likely to suffer long term complications than people from deprived backgrounds. So money and space certainly benefit you. The consequences are worse for some people.

Since Covid is more life threatening to the BAME community, should we be making a case for those people to be first in the queue for the vaccine?

As far as healthy eating goes, a banana is far cheaper than a packet of crisps or a chocolate bar so it's not finances that determine why you eat.

What's to admit? common knowledge and common sense that it would anyway!!

Yes Gill infection rates ( meat packing places etc) but being mainly a younger workforce, they are unlikely to die.
Of course crowded houses/lodgings is going to affect infection rates.But....we can all be in this together as much as possible.They can wear masks, wash hands, we all have to do what we can, including those who work for minimum wages.

trisher you misunderstood my post....I was saying that having money and space didn’t prevent you from catching Covid...and yes, dying.

The effect of inequalities on infection rate is certainly very obvious, surely everyone must realise that poor diet, certain working conditions and over crowding contribute to the chances of catching covid19 in the first place and subsequently recovery from it. I live in an area with very few recorded cases , so it is noticeable when the local news announces an outbreak of covid19; it is always at a meat processing facility or similar. It is clear that the people working there are minimum wages in an area of relatively high housing costs so are likely to be overcrowded. Add this on to car sharing in an area with poor public transport, working in chilled conditions, people who cannot afford to self isolate if they suspect they are infected and you have the perfect recipe for covid19. So, no, we are not all in this together.

lemongrove

I don’t think anything this government does to help people during this pandemic will ever be good enough for some.
Helping working people is costing billions, but the government are doing it ( quite rightly).
Of course it’s a better life if you have space and money ( isn’t it always, at any time) but since March, it didn’t prevent you catching Covid, and yes....dying as well.

That’s because nothing they do will be good enough - well spotted .

Over the years lack of being able to see a GP and if necessary getting a hospital appointment has and still does affect some more than others. This has an affect both mental and physical on health which in turn is not helping the health of some areas of the country during the current stressful times.

The figures for people with learning disabilities in terms of premature death are awful without covid thrown into the mix.

Actually it does effect you dying lemon the research shows- Women in the most deprived areas are 133% more likely to die from COVID-19 than those in the least deprived areas. For men this difference is smaller.

I don’t think anything this government does to help people during this pandemic will ever be good enough for some.
Helping working people is costing billions, but the government are doing it ( quite rightly).
Of course it’s a better life if you have space and money ( isn’t it always, at any time) but since March, it didn’t prevent you catching Covid, and yes....dying as well.

Those with learning disabilities are six times more likely to die from the virus.

All in different boats indeed - some in luxury yachts, others in leaking canoes!

Of course, there's an element of chance too and nobody is certain of their level of risk or likely outcome - until it's too late. I'm really sick of hearing the (overconfident) self-proclaimed 'super fit' saying they'd only have a mild illness.

lemongrove

Age and existing health conditions ( and no, not always caused by inequality) are the biggest causes of illness and death from Covid.
The phrase ‘all in this together’ is obviously to make people realise that unless everyone tries hard to follow the rules and guidelines we won’t get on top of it.

It’s a rubbish meaningless cliche - if a govt wants to help people follow the rules they could start with improving income when self isolating and longer term improve housing ( in time for the next pandemic)

If you are interested there is a Webinar on Tues 15th Dec, discussing how things might be changed-"Build Back fairer" www.health.org.uk/build-back-fairer-webinar

People from certain ethnic groups (eg Indian subcontinent) are more likely to have T2 diabetes.

lemongrove

Age and existing health conditions ( and no, not always caused by inequality) are the biggest causes of illness and death from Covid.
The phrase ‘all in this together’ is obviously to make people realise that unless everyone tries hard to follow the rules and guidelines we won’t get on top of it.

I agree that health conditions aren't always the result of inequality, but it is a a fact that people living in deprivation have worse health outcomes than others and are more likely to have the pre-existing health conditions which put them at higher risk of dying. They're more likely to be infected in the first place.

Nothing can be done about a person's age. However, there is something which can be done to support people financially, so that they don't feel they have to work when infected. It should even be possible to provide them with accommodation, if that's difficult at home. People with conditions such as diabetes shouldn't have to feel that they have to work in risky environments.

An 80 year old living on his/her own or with just a partner - or even in a care home - is safer than somebody who lives in a multi-generation home, where others go out to work or school.

Age and existing health conditions ( and no, not always caused by inequality) are the biggest causes of illness and death from Covid.
The phrase ‘all in this together’ is obviously to make people realise that unless everyone tries hard to follow the rules and guidelines we won’t get on top of it.

maddyone

Whilst all the above is true, the biggest indicator is age.

You are quite right ?