Vaccinations from next week

biba70

An excellent question Lizbeth - you should ask Hancock, Ress-Mogg, Williamson, Sharma, Dorries and all - because they took great delight in highjacking this amazing, truly international effort- for their nationalistic Brexit related aims.

Yes, they did indeed. They introduced something totally irrelevant - and lied about it anyway. It was totally right that they weren't allowed to get away with it. There's been too much drip drip "fake news".

Callistemon

^worldwide cooperation by the best people (sadly with very little input by the UK)^
We were talking about the Pfizer vaccine, were we not.

So you believe that the best people all work for Pfizer? Do you think that the rest, including all those brilliant scientists working on this in the UK, are second-rate?

I do not believe that.

The scientists who developed the BioNTech vaccine don't work for Pfizer anyway, in the same way that the people working on the "British" vaccine don't work for AstraZeneca.

I thought the discussion was about Covid vaccination in general.
My apologies if I did not realise you were taking the narrower view.

worldwide cooperation by the best people (sadly with very little input by the UK)
We were talking about the Pfizer vaccine, were we not.

So you believe that the best people all work for Pfizer? Do you think that the rest, including all those brilliant scientists working on this in the UK, are second-rate?

I do not believe that.

We were talking about the Pfizer vaccine, were we not.

You said
worldwide cooperation by the best people (sadly with very little input by the UK)
Biba70 it is hard to see how you claim people misread your posts.
. This was clear enough and it totally denigrates the British scientists and medics ignoring their contribution which has not only been significant but outstanding.
If the pandemic had struck 5 years ago, the story would have been different. Research on vaccines would not have been nearly as well progressed. It just so happened that RNA vaccine technology had reached a point where the pandemic gave it the necessary push. And the technology used by the team in Oxford, who had been developing a vaccine for MERS was already in the trial stage. Both strands of science are awesome. We have a chance to get us out of this mess in the next six months if enough of us can be vaccinated.

Not for your posytIam

Sigh.

somehow, my posts are often misread
That sounds like the kind of thing our hopeless government ministers say, only they’d probably claim ‘taken out of context’
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Of course I don't mind you saying- and I am very sorry your son got Covid and is having a tough time of it. Hope he will soon feel much better.

Somehow, my posts are often mis-read, and I know some choose to misread their intent. I am indeed furious, and truly disappointed, that this amazing international cooperation breakthrough has been misused by this dreadful Government for nationalistic reasons- at such a sensitive time in the EU negotiations. Not the UK, not the British people (and I am one, and OH and all my family too), but those in this Government, listed above for their lies and infantile comments - yes I put them in a very bad light. Actually, no, THEY have put themselves in a very bad light- and unfortunately, as far as the EU countries and the rest of the world- they have put us all in a bad light and worse. It has been picked up in the whole world, and bathed all of us in ridicule. The comments made by Williamson about us being so much better than the FRench and the lot of them, thus being 'worthy' of the vaccine- is so so damaging. And yes, a lot of cartoons ad press comments and social media all over the EU and the world.

biba, if you dont mind my saying, that is a complete turn round from your earlier comments.

Our younger son, a fit 47 year old, got Covid about 6 weeks ago. He was not hospitalised or particularly ill but still has to go to bed every afternoon and is not fit to go back to work. That is why we should have the vaccine and rejoice in it being available.

I do get so fed up of people putting the UK in a bad light.

Dr John mentioned something quite important in today’s blog. People can feel unwell for a day or so after having the vaccine: usually a headache and tiredness. He said it was important that not all of a workforce should be vaccinated at the same time as you can’t have a whole hospital of nurses incapacitated at the same time. Thinking about it it’s more important to stop people needing hospitalisation in the first place than it is to have the staff to treat them, especially as the vaccine will take several weeks to become effective.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/03/nhs-staff-no-longer-front-queue-covid-vaccine-rethink

have read that they've changed the priority, and NHS workers will not now be in the first tranche.
the hospitals where it is being sent will offer it first to all over 80 aged patients, inc out-patients attending appts.
they wanted this to include care home residents but logistical problems mean it is unlikely till next year.

Thankyou Sarnia. I hope too that your Grandson is coping through these restricting times.

Here is an interesting fact.

Apparently wealthy businessmen entering the U.K. from abroad are immune from contracting covid. They, unlike their other less well off countrymen don’t have to self isolate for a couple of weeks when entering the U.K.

I had no idea that money ensured immunity from this virus!

yes, an amazing International effort, that shows what can be achieved when we work together instead of blowing nationalistic trumpets in such a destructive, negative way.

As for your comment, Lizbeth- it reminds me of a great programme that used to be on a Monday night.

Lizbethann55

How very sad that this post, like so many others on gransnet, get hijacked by those with a political drum to bang. This is not about the eu, Brexit, remainers, the left or the right, or even the monster raving loony party . It should be about celebrating the fact that , thanks to some truly wonderful and hard working scientists, there is a vaccine. There is hope and light at the end of a very long and dark tunnel. Let us just be thankful for it.

Yes, it is Lizbethann
Most of us, worldwide, are relieved and thankful to the scientists for their expertise and hard work in producing results in such a relatively short time.

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biba give it a rest!!! Hancock et al may well have hijacked it. But you don't need to. Nor do the all the other moaners. Rejoice, celebrate, be happy, look to the future. Or start your own post. I am sure you will get lots of reactions and comments. But please , leave the rest of us with our pleasure of a very different 2021

An excellent question Lizbeth - you should ask Hancock, Ress-Mogg, Williamson, Sharma, Dorries and all - because they took great delight in highjacking this amazing, truly international effort- for their nationalistic Brexit related aims.

Brexit is far from irrelevant. It is important for the UK to import as much of this vaccine, developed by German Scientists and manufactured in Belgium, before we finally exit the transition period on 1st January.